cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/86855
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- 21 days
Of look! All those things we said would happen are happening. Quelle surprise.
- X@piefed.worldEnglish21 days
Më thonë se gjyshi im e ndërtoi, por prindërit e mi nuk janë njerëz shumë të besueshëm.
- 21 days
every time the Americans go ‘oh shit I think we’re obviously living in a fascist regime!’ they forget about it within a week, this is like the 8th time in the last 2 years that this headline has run.
- FrChazzz@lemmus.orgEnglish21 days
Literally two days ago they were running the same headline in response to Starlink and Ukraine.
- 20 days
I think we remember it every day, but that doesn’t mean we suddenly reach the critical mass necessary to change it. For those of us who recognize what’s happening for what it is, it’s at the forefront of our minds.
- 20 days
Don’t you DARE suggest they get off their cowardly asses or they’ll start throwing MAGA-level language at you real fast
- 20 days
It’s always the same responses:
“Nothing can be done” (we tried nothing and are all out of ideas)
“What are you doing about it?” (Can’t somebody else do it? We welcome foreign interference!)
And then endless excuses for why nothing will work so they won’t even try.
I’ve even seen the people giving these responses mock others for moving away from the US.
- 20 days
The downvotes on this post are hilarious. Just a bunch of the most pants-pissing white liberal cowards who keep telling themselves they’re not part of the problem.
Though I will ALSO mock Americans who would rather flee the country than stay and fight back.
- 21 days
It’s almost like abandoning protocols for platforms was a mistake.
Just like coming down from the trees and leaving the ocean.
- BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish21 days
Yeah leaving the ocean was the first big mistake. Or maybe it was going multicellular. Or maybe it was letting in that bacterium that turned into proto-mitrochondria. Seemed like a really good deal at the time, all this new energy available for neat new activities, in exchange for some “progress” and cooperation? What could go wrong!?
- X@piefed.worldEnglish21 days
If we hadn’t left the ocean, some other species would’ve taken our place. And while you may feel differently, I really don’t think orcas would be any more responsible than us. This is to say that there’s no guarantee that any species would behave any better than we have, given the same level of intelligence and drive for resources.
- BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish21 days
It’s not a zero sum game. Let the orcas go to work. I’ll gladly be their pet or play in their zoo, it’s likely to be better than what we’ve set up.
- X@piefed.worldEnglish21 days
Can’t help but notice you didn’t mention your eagerness to be the orca’s food, which given the their nature, is drastically more likely.
- BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish21 days
Nah, they have been widely and countless times shown to be disinterested in or even vehemently opposed to eating us for whatever reason, the only known attacks come from mistreatment or mistaken identity, whereas there are literally centuries of numerous stories of their willingness to partner with us to work for shared hunting spoils in the wild, and numerous stories of their protecting humans from other predators. They’ll be great owners to us.
- X@piefed.worldEnglish21 days
I see you either didn’t read or patently disregarded where I said “given our level of intelligence and drive for resources.”There’s no reason to assume they’d be as benevolent as you assume, especially given how deadly they’ve proven to other animals, such as seals, just for sport.
Orcas are highly disciplined apex predators whose behaviors are calculated survival strategies. I get your understandable dislike of human species, but to pretend that those predators would be kinder and more benevolent than us at our level of intelligence and capacity for reason seems to be nothing more than hating a species that, by and large, is generally kinder than the assholes, who get the most attention.
- 20 days
In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
- 20 days
Don’t forget abandoning nomadic lifestyles in favor of agriculture and settled civilizations…
- 20 days
You want to spend an extra 50 years in a drawn-out process of dying?
19 days50 is not old. Plenty of people can enjoy life into thier 70s. 80+ is where bodily autonomy degrades.
- 19 days
Man, I was just keeping with the deadpan humor of the thread. I know 50 is still young. But leaving the ocean and coming down from the trees likely had similar effects on lengthening life expectancies, no? I don’t think we’re here for an anthropological debate though, are we?
If only there were, I don’t know, a social media network of services that use the same protocol to talk to each other, and has no central authority? Something that, and this may be a stretch here, that is created and ran by the people?
Maybe someday. 🤷
Hmm. You might be onto something. Perhaps some kind of universal protocol that would allow for a federation of independent social media nodes, a fedi-verse, if you will.
- 21 days
I heard that this utopian “freddy-verse” does in fact exist. I wonder how it can be accessed, does anyone know?
- 21 days
I do think the fediverse is better than the corporate built alternatives but the more time I’ve spent here the less I believe that it is a great solution. People are the fundamental problem and people control every instance, moderate every community, and post every comment (excluding bots which are their own problem). The amount of infighting I’ve witnessed here over trivial bullshit is astounding. People are constantly calling for defederation over one offense or another. Much of it rivals Reddit in it’s pettiness.
It’s true that no single entity controls it all, and that is an improvement, but everything still gets fragmented so much that I don’t think I believe it can reasonably grow beyond what it is now. Not without running into variations of the same problems as the others at least.
I think the simple truth of the matter is that humans can’t help this kind of tribal behavior. We group ourselves together using all kinds of labels, some broad and some incredibly specific, but the end result is always the same. Those with the labels I gave myself which are most important to me are my friends and those without them are my enemy. Until that primal need to exclude others is gone, any communal space we create will devolve to the point that there are effectively multiple siloed echo chambers that rarely overlap.
That was more of a rant than I initially intended, but the point is that I don’t think the fediverse would have solved this problem. If a federated version of Instagram was the dominant service for that kind of activity then the No Kings account there would have been censored by many groups for many reasons. Enough so that I don’t know that the impact would be any different.
- 20 days
I think what you’re saying is that fediverse is a better solution but it will not scale and I agree.
- 20 days
Pretty much, yeah. Marginally better at least, depending on what you want it to be.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish21 days
I dont think the fediverse will be able to withstand a sophisticated threat in its current form.
Once the number of MAUs makes it worth manipulating, it will be impossible to manage.
There will be a few large well managed instances with no federation, and a disparate assortment of tiny instances with very limited federation.
Agreed. The only reason this is not overrun with spam and bots is because it is small.
A possible solution could be reputation, but that gets dangerously close to Reddit Karma.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish20 days
Nah, bots can farm reputation better than humans can.
The problem is that federation assumes good intent of the admins of other instances. If someone builds a network of instances intended to manipulate votes et cetera, I can’t see how the fediverse could resist that.
Instance A can’t trust that votes from instance B are legit. As soon as there’s no trust then federating even with an aparently trustworthy instance becomes too costly in terms of time and effort.
- 20 days
I think a some kind of Web of Trust would have to be implemented. Like with GPG decide which servers and users you trust.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish20 days
I don’t know how that could work.
At the server level we already have that - federating with a server includes that server in the web of trust.
At the user level, how would new users become trusted? That seems unachievable given how difficult it is to attract users just in general without something like that. I’ve been on the fediverse for years but I don’t know any other users that would “trust” me.
- farmgineer@nord.pubEnglish21 days
There’s an awareness problem, though; the people only on corporate social media need to be told about mbin/piefed/lemmy (and then explained how to sign up and use it because instances, etc.) and it’s not really effective to use only things in the fediverse to do that.
- 21 days
So they’re destroying the ‘social’ feature of their social media. Interesting choice.
- 21 days
It stopped being social media a long time ago. It’s been addiction media since a long time. I used to call it consumption media. But addiction media is more accurate.
Datamining tool that was getting federal money. 3rd party government funded social manipulation.
- 21 days
… which is why TikTok was in fact a weapons platform more than a social one
- 21 days
People need to understand that Zuch was in on this since at least Cambridge analyitca, he’s one of the pioneers of modern misinformation warfare. Of all the guys in tech, only musk is more on Trump’s side than Zuch. Actively the enemy.
- 20 days
musk has twitter, and tesla which has a wider reach. zuck has russian disinformation backing to help with manipulating boomer and genx users.
- 20 days
You must be delusional if you think Musk has bigger reach than Zuckerberg. Facebook is used by everyone. Your grandparents are on it. It has 3 billion monthly active users. Twitter has 5 to 6 times less users than that sitting at 500-600 million. Meta also had Instagram which is also incredibly popular.
- 20 days
And WhatsApp which provides businesses in the third world a platform to communicate internally and with customers. Besides being the most popular massenger. Took me years to get a majority of my friends and family to use Signal or Threema instead.
- 21 days
what the fuck are they expecting? The account against kings on the platform owned by wannbee kings? get your fucking shit together, open your eyes and FUCKING LEAVE!
- 21 days
And lets stop about that BS “but we won’t be able to reach as many people if blah blah”. There. You now reach NO-FUCKING-BODY
- 21 days
Given how many bots and scam accounts are already present on the mainstream socials, it’s not like they were reaching anybody to start.
I wish activist organizations would stop making Instagram their primary/sole updates platform and have more sane communication options that aren’t crazy addictive and centralized (for which there are quite a few options). Encouraging more people onto Instagram is counterintuitive
- 20 days
Guess some people don’t like hearing the truth. Maybe if they post to peer tube instead they can get 5 views and maybe even a like.
We have to be able to meet people where they are, wherever they might be.
That’s assuming that they stumble on it. If all of those members know where to go, they will probably use an alternative platform. After all we all heard of a better option to redit and here we are
But how many people actually left Reddit to go here versus how many are still there?
Lemmy underestimate the vile power of network effect.
- 19 days
some went back to lemmy after coming here. i think some LURK on reddit instead though, after they were forced out, or tried to create a new account. all the content is there.
- 20 days
That’s a good point. It should really be a two-pronged approach. One is setting up and maintaining an alternative to the mainstream social media sites, while the other is out in the muck trying to inform people and let them know where to go.
- 20 days
It isn’t that I object to people reluctantly using the big-tech social platforms, it’s that they seemingly do so enthusiastically.
I’m not disputing. Enthusiasm is precisely why they are in Instagram.
- 21 days
They did the same thing to Lula right before the Brazilian election, so what’s to stop them from doing it domestically?
- 20 days
Hey guys, I had an idea that maybe the richest people in the world are buying up all the media so that they can control and censor public discourse and anything they disagree with.
I know it’s a bit out there, and I can’t prove it, but it’s just this crazy thought I had!
- KulunkelBoom@lemmus.orgEnglish20 days
And none of you saw this coming? Really? State owned media news and “entertainment” outlets refusing to disparage the king?
And STILL y’all use them - knowing full well that all your information is sold on the open market and all your secrets are no more?
And then bitch about it. Fucking hell - America and the rest of the world devolves into dumb shits.
If you don’t want to be “cut off” by the people you’re protesting against, DON’T USE THEIR MEDIA.
Convenience is a hell of a drug. As soon as you ask someone to uproot their social media presence to the fediverse their eyes begin to glaze over. They don’t understand it and want to be part of a giant and almost all-encompassing community which is not where we’re currently at right now.
It takes multiple instances of censorship, frustration, and offending the wrong bot to be forced out of their online shell and even then they might still go for the next corporate-owned social media because it’s “easier” than understanding what federation means.
Fancy that!
There’s a reason Elon bought Twitter, and it wasn’t just so he could wave his dick through the world’s biggest megaphone.
Bluesky will fall in line as well. You don’t have platforms with hundreds of millions of users without big pockets, and if you’ve got big pockets it would seem the world is already working exactly the way you want it to.
- 21 days
Mastodon, Lemmy, Peertube… Federation is the only real solution…
If you are fighting someone why the fuck would you use the platform of those you are fighting against?
There are plenty of options that you can use which haven’t been invaded by parasites.
- hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish20 days
To reach the greatest number of people. In the fediverse you’d reach a dozen nerds at maximum, but everyone and their dog is still in Facebook and other corporate social media platforms
I know BUT there was plenty of time to get them to move somewhere else and keep the momentum and now it will take time to build it back up.
The Arab Spring was the “Facebook Revolution”.
One man’s revolutionary is another man’s terrorist.
That maybe so but then why use a platform which is controlled by those that would classify you as a terrorist and can’t block your actions against them?
No kings is about the separation of powers and the exercise of the First Amendment.
It’s worth having an Instagram account precisely because this might happen.
