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5 daysTrump has declared it’s not called rape anymore, it’s called America.
the marry the minor (explicitly allowed by the law) trick has “sex with a minor” be slightly nore inclusive.
- 6 days
TIL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron
It was at the after-school drama club of Lycée la Providence where she and Emmanuel Macron first met.[13] She was in charge of the after-school theater club he attended when he was 15 alongside her own daughter Laurence who was in his class.[14] Their relationship has attracted controversy, as she is his senior by close to 25 years, and he was a minor; Macron has described it as “a love often clandestine, often hidden, misunderstood by many before imposing itself”.
In 1993, at the age of 39, she met the 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron in Lycée la Providence,[40][41] where she was a teacher and he was a student and a classmate of her daughter.[42] Brigitte divorced Auzière in January 2006 and married Macron on 20 October 2007.
- Khrux@ttrpg.networkEnglish5 days
I wonder if the daughter liked him at the time too.
Imagine having a high school crush and before you can make a move, your mother becomes a pedophile and gets there first.
- 5 days
I wonder what the daughter thought about him.
Or what if he used to bully the daughter to get the mom’s attention, and the daughter actually hates him?
The guy that bullies me is now my step dad?!
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish6 days
Am I the only person that doesn’t see a problem here?
I mean sure it’s weird. People do weird things. It’s definitely weird enough to gossip about and make memes about.
Has anyone been harmed though? Is there a power imbalance?
Daughter might not be thrilled but it’s not abusive.
It’s fine to have narrow ideas about who you might have a relationship with, but let others do as they wish provided they’re not harming anyone.
- sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish5 days
From the Wikipedia article it’s not clear if she waited until he was an adult to pursue the relationship or not.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish5 days
They had some kind of relationship while he was at school. It’s not clear whether it was sexual.
Age of consent in France is 15. So he was already an adult in this context.
Legality isn’t morality. Generally „half your age plus seven“ is a good lower limit before it gets weird.
- sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish5 days
That is wildly too young for consent with an adult, imo, but I’m no expert.
I only know this from a Quebecois perspective, I believe 16 is the age of consent in Quebec, but I doubt any of my cousins were still virgins by the time they were 14. I’m not sure on the logistics of this, but they were very promiscuous even at that age.
So absolutely none of this is shocking to me. This is just the way French people are.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish5 days
I’m sure it is, but what “some cultures” think isn’t really relevant, is it.
I’m seeing a 14-year gap between the time they initially met and the time they married. The first three of those years would have been criminal, but I haven’t actually seen anything saying the relationship commenced within that time period.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish4 days
That’s what I initially thought but I did some reading and it’s not really the case.
Firstly, the age of consent in france is 15, and the attitudes of the French people are much more relaxed in this area, and I can respect that.
However, it’s likely there was some kind of relationship when he was 15 and she was 39. There’s no evidence that it was sexual but I kinda assume that it was. His parents sent him to a school in Paris to break them up. I can’t be bothered linking the source but it’s mentioned on the wikipedia page and you can click through to read the references.
On balance, it seems no laws were broken and it seems unlikely that either party was harmed. However, the early years of their relationship were certainly dubious ethically.
- 6 days
Rape is barely even illegal in the US. In our culture, if a man gets raped, that’s funny, if a girl gets raped, no she didn’t; that bitch is lying.
As far as creeping on underage people, others have pointed out the hypocrisy there.
- 5 days
Rape is a crime no matter what gender did it. If a man rapes a woman he should be put to jail. But it is also a fact that so many girls willingly sleeps with a man then calls it rape because she feels guilty. I feel awful for actual rape victims but also for so many men wrongfully accused of rape. We should have a gender neutral middle ground.
- 5 days
The number of men who claim innocence and the number of men who are actually innocent are two different things. Don’t let a real, but otherwise statistical anomaly, distract you from the actual harm done. A male victim and a female victim have equal rights to justice but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault. Which cause deserves your attention?
but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault.
On what evidence do you base this claim? I was under the impression that the actual rates are similar, but male-victims very rarely report SA.
- 4 days
Statistics - National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC) https://share.google/s8pcZdJvkkp4HGsDZ
Looks like overall it’s about 2:1. And more to the original point, no more than 10% of claims are potentially falsified (or as little as 2%). I’ll admit, I didn’t have this data originally.
Which is to say - the harm to falsely accused men and the harm to legitimately raped or harassed women are on totally different scales.
Which is to say - the harm to falsely accused men and the harm to legitimately raped or harassed women are on totally different scales.
I’m not comparing the two. I’m addressing only the point that I quoted above:
A male victim and a female victim have equal rights to justice but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault.
Your link says 1 in 5 women (20%) experience rape, and 24.8% of men experience “sexual violence”. That seems to indicate that men and women experience SA at about the same rate. This is consistent with my understanding.
Your “2:1” claim seems to arise from “Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime.”
I will focus on the word “reported”: It is my understanding that male victims of SA report their assault at much lower rates than female victims.
I would note that your overall thesis does not seem to rely on this particular point. You can abandon this point without detracting from your main argument.
- 4 days
Agreed - overall this isn’t my point, but it’s a good thing to get calibrated.
Looking deeper, it seems like the stats vary along with specific criteria.
Another source: Sexual Violence Statistics - RAINN https://share.google/0MKSuQVWw2PWiZHhX
This puts the ratio at 1:10.
I think it’s probably true that men report fewer incidents, but the ratios are pretty far apart for rape. This website also makes the point that up to 30% of sexual assault for males occurs in childhood. Good stats for underreporting are hard to obtain but it seems like it’s something like 50% unreported for men. Maybe a bit lower for women. It just seems like a stretch to say that it’s equally likely for both genders. You’d have to go to extreme differences between the rates of reporting (3-5x).
Where are your “so many men” statistics?
I’m a dude that was falsely accused but everything I’ve seen shows I’m a very small statistic, especially compared to women who are raped w/o consequences for their rapist and many slut shamed. It’s terrible and life-altering to be falsely accused, but so is being raped and that happens far more often.
- 5 days
Actually, in French, you only apostrophe like that if the article ends witha vowel and the noun starts with one.
Correct is
l'enukes - 5 days
Just make sure to attack during the nations two and a half hour long lunch break.
Yes but he’s not a teacher, we hold our teachers accountable. Our real estate developers? Not as much
- 6 days
It doesn’t seem “truthy” what with all non-investigations of the Trump/Epstein rapes staring us in the face. It is a teacher however and they aren’t very valued by the current american administration. /s
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish6 days
I love that she just looks like a normal person that does her best to age with grace.
- 5 days
Do you honestly not know this?
AI:
“Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel Macron first met in 1993 at La Providence, a Jesuit high school in Amiens, France. • Ages at the time: Brigitte was 39 years old and working as a teacher, while Emmanuel was a 15-year-old student.”
- 5 days
Do you honestly not know how to research something and report on it without using AI?
- 7 days
Yeah, you just have to be a lecherous con man with lots of stolen money used to get private access to innocent victims to become leader of America.
Holy shit, did Clinton fuck kids? Regularly? Repeatedly? Mercilessly? Or are you trying to create a false equivalence between being a child rapist and being a swinger?
Bare minimum facts we know: 1) Bill Clinton definitely had sexual relations with a white house intern while he was president 2) Bill Clinton had some relationship with notorious pedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstien resulting in multiple pictures taken of them together
What we assume from these facts is up to us. I’m not certain he’s a pedo, but I am certain I don’t trust his judgment, especially in sexual matters.
- 5 days
Regularly? Seriously? Once in a while is excusable? WTF ARE YOU SAYING?!??!??
Why would he fly on the Lolita Express? Why would he even hang out with a known child pimp?
Dude already has rape accusations going back to Governor of Arkansas.
Yes, I ZERO doubts Bill Clinton raped kids.
- FinjaminPoach@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator5 days
Hah yeah. Not to mention teachers should never beat their students
- some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish5 days
If you’re a Candice Owens slob, whatever. No teacher should bang students, but this one is called out by a conspiracy nutjob. Scrutinize but don’t listen to her.
- 6 days
Dude lives in Tel Aviv now.
He pulled a Walter Sobchak.
What’s up with all the 2,000 lbs bomb dropping on Shomer Shabbos? Genocide doesn’t get a day of rest?
Fuck, I missed that. He’s an asshole but I liked most of his movies.
So now we know why all the greatest artists die young. If they live long enough they turn evil.
- 4 days
Weird Al and Damon Albarn who are still alive and not evil would like a word
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish6 days
God damn it. Yeah I never imagined he would be a nice guy but some of his movies are modern classics in my book. I didn’t even know he was an israeli. Oh well.
- NoForwadSlashS@piefed.socialEnglish6 days
A loving relationship where the woman is older than the man, oh the horror.
Everyone knows real power is from geriatric men marrying children who were trafficked just for them.
- 6 days
While that may be true, teachers having relations with minor pupils is generally rife for abuse.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish5 days
That’s true, but “grooming” is a question of morality. it’s a specific term involving people are under the age of consent. It’s not “grooming” just because you find the relationship immoral.
- 4 days
A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand that they are being groomed. Grooming should be illegal, however it’s tied to the legal precedent set by age of consent laws.
I can’t believe I’m having this conversation, a 17 year old should not be in a relationship with a 41 year old.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish6 days
Adults meet minors all the time. Some teachers will meet hundreds in their career. What’s your point ?
- NoForwadSlashS@piefed.socialEnglish5 days
I’m finding it kind of funny how many people are white knighting an incredibly rich elite, the literal president of a world power, because the 54 year old he married at 30 used to be his teacher.
- 5 days
I don’t think she raped him. She groomed him, 100%, but she likely didn’t rape him.
- 5 days
Maybe read up on how they met, why he moved schools etc. before exposing your ignorance.
- im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish6 days
It’s the same on reddit. The demographic seems to have very narrow ideas about who ought to be having sex with whom. If there’s no minors, and no harm, then let people do what they want.
