• 49 minutes

    I think if you can protest then your bitch ass ain’t ready to lead! If you can’t tske over a country my normal means in the 22st sentry then dumb as fuck bro and this os how we do ib in the civilized age.

    The flavor is systems. System go up. System go down. But that is shit is temporal abd thats how we take it and if your bitch ass aint riding the race then that chit won’t fuck your ass! So you you go woth the groove and it go tubular. This just stock speak! You know where the numbers are? With God. Shit you don’t know, you don’t know. That’s a fact.

  • 10 hours

    They really do. 3 years ago my daughter was getting ready to take a school trip to France when protests broke out over something. I was worried about the trip and ended up learning a lot about how France protests. Here are some things I learned:

    Protesting is considered important and this is taught to kids in school.

    It’s often a family affair, grab the whole family and go protest.

    Protests are a happy, party-like environment with music and vendors selling food to protestors.

    Leaders actually listen to some.extent.

    • 9 hours

      American version:

      Protesting is a right, taught in school.

      Grab family, go to protest.

      Protest turns violent because of hidden cops. Mom gets shot. Dad loses job. Family loses house.

      Die.

      • My US experience:

        Protesting it taught in school.

        Peaceful protesting at school results in being expelled.

      • “Protesting is a right and everything great we have comes from it, but you will be tear gassed and condemned if you try”

    • Leaders actually listen to some.extent.

      Do they? I haven’t seem a lot of meaningful changes in France due to protests in the last 10-20 years. Perhaps you have a list of them that a directly due to protests? It seems like the ruling class, leadership and in general regular people just ignore protests as ‘part of life’.

      • 9 hours

        They do listen to some extent. Not always, obviously, but saying protests are basically useless is just wrong. The CPE was scrapped after protests in 2006, the écotaxe was abandoned after the Bonnets Rouges protests, the fuel tax increase was cancelled after the Yellow Vests, and the government backed down on several measures after the 2024 farmers’ protests. You can argue protests do not always succeed, but pretending they achieve nothing just ignores what actually happened.

        • 3 hours

          Unfortunately the government’s like to wait a few years and try again. The message doesn’t always stick

      • 8 hours

        Macron cancelled a tax hike right before the pandemic, IIRC. I can’t think of anything else particularly substantial from the last 10-20

    • 9 hours

      It’s not taught to kids in school. It’s taught from pair to pair during each struggle

  • Holy shit we are docile. How have we not had a fascist takeover yet? The other thing that amazes me about Brits is their priorities. They will riot over things like pedos and immigrants but when their government takes them into illegal wars, destroys their healthcare, public transit and education they do not give a fuck. The public outpouring of grief following the death of billionaire Diana Spencer was equally baffling and grotesque. It is weird to live amongst these people.

    • British people will riot over pedos?

      Jimmy Savile and Andrew Mountbatten probably would have disagreed.

    • 7 hours

      Better just keep switching PMs every 18 months or so to make sure that the leader is almost perpetually someone who wasn’t voted in, that should sort it.

  • I mean, right now there are students protests in France.

    One student had his hand blown off by a police grenade launcher, and something like 50 officers were injured.

    They don’t fuck around

    • 7 hours

      It’s almost like you actually have to fight for your rights or something.

    • His hand was because he picked up a flash grenade to try and throw it back. But yeah, the current protests are rough. A few thousand people detained and a few hundred officers injured last I heard iirc.

      • So? What was a flash grenade doing on the ground for him to pick up in the first place?

        • What the fuck do I care? All I’m saying is what happened. I’m not here trying to argue anything other than correcting that his hand wasn’t “blown off by a grenade launcher”.

  • 8 hours

    Yeah. Until the British need something that brown/black/yellow people don’t want to give them for free, then they fucking Hulk the way to it. They are affable only to their oppressors, they love their royals.

  • I live in very, very rural France. Country-wide protests are happening because high-school students demand better… Well, better everything.

    Yesterday I carpooled with my kid’s teacher to protest in the “biggest” town (pop. 9,000) in the county. 700 people marched. Some drove over 60 miles one way to be there, when gas costs 2,35€ a liter.
    In the past week two kids lost an eye, one an arm, one their lower jaw, because of police violence. (The eyes might not be beyond saving, I’m not sure.) Even middle-schoolers fight with their parents to be allowed to protest.

    Country-wide headcount was 400,000. Our tiny march, every tiny local march did its part.
    And that was a weekday, small protest. Saturday after next is a big one.
    I’m really proud of the kids.

    • and that is the same country that wanted to ban social media for minors because social media was harming minors? huh, I do think something is indeed harming French minors, but I don’t think it’s social media!

      • 10 hours

        Social media is definitely harming minors, just like it is harming everyone else.

          • Corporate social media with algorithms designed to make addicts out of users and force propaganda down their throats is different than decentralized social media where people have control of what they consume while they are on it.

          • 9 hours

            Ah yes, the “gotcha” everyone loves to trot out. Except Lemmy is quite obviously not what anyone is talking about when they talk about the issues of social media.

          • Bring back social networks. No more algorithms. Only feed from people your personnaly add to your network, in the order they were posted.

      • 11 hours

        Two things can harm minors at the same time.

        “No Timmy, you were on esptein island so we’re sending you to Iran, you’re immune to anything bad happening to you ever”

      • The country didn’t want that. The president and his cronies do, as an excuse to amplify mass surveillance.
        The same president we’re protesting against.

    • 10 hours

      most importantly though, how much stuff did you destroy? it really makes the commies here jealous

  • 12 hours

    Is it true what you wrote about British government? Anytime I talked with people from Britain, either I end up talking to a crowd that says “Islamists are taking over UK” or a crowd that says “Right wing is problem”. I really never got what they are doing these days.

    • 11 hours

      They are talking about the small boats. Apparently, if you shoot every small boat it will make a difference: less crime, cheap goods, no crisis

      • 11 hours

        As a Brit I have to stand up for us.

        A very small minority are obsessed with illegal immigrants coming over on boats, and the rest of us hate them. They are called Gammons.

        Secondly I don’t know anyone who cares about a persons gender. If there is, its a very small minority headed by JK Rowling, who we all also hate.

        But of the government said they were starting to ration oxygen, it would be terribly inconvenient, what what.

        • Brexit did not just pop-up into existence fully formed, done in a jiffy, and immediately afterwards British society returning to its otherwise eternal blissful state of everybody being perfectly just and fair.

          From my own experience living in Britain as an EU immigrant before Brexit, it is my impression that said kind of people you mention aren’t at all a small minority, possibly aren’t even a minority.

          Further, even most of the “thinking” types have to a lesser or greater extent fallen prey to the soft Jingoism relentlessly pushed by pretty much all of the Press in Britain, were the “Great” in Great Britain isn’t part of the name of one of the British Isles but rather it describes the quality of the British Society, British People, British Politics and pretty much everything else British.

          I mean, all it takes is to compare the portrayal of international gatherings in, say the BBC, with the portrayal of the same in the news of other countries, and invariably the thing is passed by the BBC as British politicians being given lots of attention and treated as important by the rest, which does not at all match what’s reported in the press outside Britain.

          And don’t get me started on how even supposedly left-of-center newspapers in Britain publish opinion articles about the “scandal” of people sexually behaving in ways that are not the norm, which are incredibly similar to the anti-homosexuality tropes of a few decades ago (only it’s not fashionable to be a sexual moralist against homosexuals anymore, so now different victims are chosen).

          From my experience, prejudice in British society is totally normalized, at a level well beyond what I’ve seen in other countries in Europe I lived in - which is why IMHO it’s so easy for anti-immigration scare stories to flare up and for things like transphobia to rise to the surface and grow.

        • 8 hours

          I work for Brits. No mate, I can’t agree with you. Cost of living and the fcking smallboats with Arabs are the only things that they smalltalk about

  • 14 hours

    Wish the rest of the world was more like the French. We’d be able to achieve so much change.

    • It is definitely a sign that humanity likes to kick itself in the nuts when even a country known for protesting still has a government that keeps doing shit that leads to protest and police still harm protestors.

      We keep putting shitty people in power and then getting upset when they do shitty stuff.

      • It’s almost as if there is something else at play, someone else to blame, than “the people” who just everywhere all the time seem to “accidentally platform” leaders who don’t have their best interests at heart.

      • 10 hours

        Their political activity is remarkable. It is the kind of activity every country needs. Only problem i see is that french activists put the most effort into protests instead of more effective ways of spreading their ideas.

        • So you think the system works great, it’s just that the French waste all their energy protesting instead of more constructively, like in the electoral system?

  • 9 hours

    The British far right are blaming the French protests on immigrants. You know, what with so many of them being school age and all…

  • I heard from a friend who worked in France for couple of years that people there basically complain and oppose any change. They were supposed to stop sending people their payslips on paper and move to digital ones and people still were mad about it, for example. At this point they riot about everything and the government simply ignores them and waits for the protests to die out. Which they do most of the time. At the same time people in Spain staged couple of peaceful protests and forced the government to pass new housing laws and call early elections. Being good at rioting is not the same as being good at defending your rights.

    • 13 hours

      A french friend of mine put it this way: “We the french always demand change, but we don’t accept it”

    • 16 hours

      Spain’s protests did include violence. A great deal of people fought off police and set up barricades to prevent that elderly woman from being evicted. The peaceful protests were also backed by the threat of escalation if nothing was done.

      The paper payslips thing was also more than just about a payslip. The protests were about accountability - it’s easier to change a database about how much work you did later than it is to change a physical paper given to you months ago. That’s not a hypothetical, that’s something that happens and not just in France.

      Go back to your right wing misinformation chamber and stop spreading bullshit here.

        • Well I am all for digitalization, but the problem with it is the digital copy is treated as the authority.

          We have this in belgium where energy companies treat their internal (corrupt, literally fabricated records) as ground truth and you can’t do anything about it using the paper they send you.

          When the Russian war started and oil & gas prices skyrocketed, Mega, a belgian energy cartel, lied to our faces and said that we used >99% of our energy from the moment prices skyrocketed to the end of the year. Complete lie, but their bullshit “database” was what they used to try to charge us almost 3500€ extra for the year. They said we took the equivalent of 1, 30 minute shower through the entire rest of the year. Their own monthly documents be damned.

          Luckily, Belgium also has an independent company that handles all of the meters, Fluvius, that keeps their own records of water, gas, and electric meters (that they also allow you to locally access and pull data from the P1 port). We were able to get an official report that lowered our end of year bill to only 1200€ or so.

          But for countries where there is no independent auditor, companies just lie, cheat, and steal their way to record profits, modifying, doctoring, and bullshitting digital records as “reality”.

          My girlfriend got caught up in an illegal firing when she was on sick leave. There is a 3rd party company SDWorx that handles pay slips, but this is a software service, not a 3rd party auditor/government service.

          She needed access to payslips and the software promises to keep 7 years of records (a lie). The company that fired her for being sick removed her access to the payslips and since they don’t come via mail or email, she didn’t have the ones she didn’t already download and she was refused her legal right to see them. They could now faslify the payslips all they wanted and re-upload them as official records.

          THAT is what France was fighting against, what is literally being used as a corporate weapon in other countries.

          • 6 hours

            Yeah, if companies are going to cheat and lie, they are going to cheat and lie, a piece of paper is not going to stop them. Paper or digital, no difference, the problem is corruption not digitalization.

            Their own monthly documents be damned.

            I’m glad that we agree.

      • Sure, stopping one eviction by blocking police is the same as burning down schools…

        And in France you’re paid once a year? They will change how much you worked months later? After you got paid already? Yes, totally real issue.

  • American government: we’re deporting your friends and neighbors to third countries, burning your crops, poisoning your water supply, and delivering a plague unto your houses

    Americans: What?! You can’t do that! I’m going to write angry social media posts and participate in a quickly-forgotten weekend protest that disrupts little to nothing! Not this weekend though, I have work in the morning.

    • 100%. It makes more sense when you understand that the only intended outcome of Americans’ protests is to reassure the do-nothing cowards participating that they’re “the good ones.” Protesting isn’t a means to an end- protesting is an end in itself, if you’re a fuckin’ clown.

    • …and also re-elect you because the other guy said he’d make housing more affordable for everyone

    • 1 day

      For the home of the brave there sure ain’t much wide spread bravery

          • ding ding ding

            Sorry, I have no eagle or hawk feathers to offer you for your answer. Perhaps this feather from a pigeon?

    • 22 hours

      I think that this is part of the issue.

      Protesting doesn’t really work in the US. And these days you’re likely to get shot or end up in an internment camp. The US is setup to get you in jail anyway so you can be slave labour. And the states are really not United. It’s a moot point, everyone likes to have someone else to blame. I mean I’ll get down voted if I say Europe and the rest of the world is also to blame for buying military equipment from the US. I’ll rephrase that; if people didn’t buy arms from the US then we maybe could do something since the military industrial complex partially runs this country.

      The only form of protest that works here is anything financial related. Even then. If you’re considered “essential” then straight to jail. Look back at the railway protests; even just glance at the abhorrent work conditions.

      https://therealnews.com/railroad-workers-speak-out-after-congress-and-biden-block-rail-strike

      You don’t have to read it; this is basically a summary “‘Without freight rail many US industries would literally shut down,’ Mr. Biden said before signing the bill” so get bent and go back to work.

      And then there’s also: “Public employees shall not have the right to strike” and this means potential jail time and I wouldn’t be surprised of future instances where you end up in jail and are forced to do your job anyway.

      A coal mine strike in the past resulted in the national guard shooting them down.

      So basically everyone is fed propaganda, locally and overseas, but the reality is gloom. People are getting learned helplessness. Been trying to make a difference for almost 20 years.

      • 10 hours

        This is a load of bollocks, I mean, look at the historical US protests like the civil rights movement, anti-Vietnam War protests, suffrage campaigns - all of them changed policies.

        What changes nothing is sitting on your ass making up reasons to stay inside.

        • 4 hours

          Heh I actually almost went to Kent State cause my brother did. Kent read, Kent write, Kent State! Sorry, it’s a local joke if you lived around there. I actually walked the field when I did tour.

          I’ve done my time. At this point, I’m not able bodied. So sitting on my ass and convey a message is all I can do. Not everyone is making up shit.

      • 19 hours

        Replace your map with a population map. There’s a lot of Frances there that don’t need to be there.

        Place 3 or 4 Frances and you’re good. Really just shut down LA and NYC.

        • 19 hours

          You make a valid point. I was using the picture to show the size overall. Places like NY and Cali are where the most aggressive capitalists are; these are the people taking advantage of everyone. They are the people that feed off the system.

          California, Texas, New York, and Florida are basically the major population of the US. Those white and light pink areas hold as much power as the most densely populated areas. At a glance you can see that 7 states so 14/100 votes are practically… for a handful of people.

          And look at it this way, where you see the dark red areas; that’s the capitalistic hubs.

          Top left corner, that’s Seattle in Washington state. That’s where Valve is (Steam) whom announced 1.7 billion in sales in September. There’s plenty of people living in those areas that go against the overall welfare of the general public, by voting and by bribing. The rich fucks were really salty about the new additional tax they have to pay.

          So what I’m trying to say is these people that are making 250k, 500k, multi millions, billions are going to fight against any change.

          The only thing that’s left is to hurt them where it hurts most, finance. That’s why I wrote about the railway strike. Honestly, after reading what the work is like, they should have quit; but then they would likely face a gun to their head and get told to go back to work.

          We’re dealing with a new era of bourgeoisie that have armed guards and bunkers and politicians in their pockets. Seems like they learned from historical events.

          • 18 hours

            Those white and light pink areas hold as much power as the most densely populated areas.

            Not exactly, in the Senate every state gets 2 votes. The presidential vote and house are weighted to population.

            The issue is both of those based on population were capped, so the less populated states get a vote that counts more than the most populated areas. So Wyoming has 1 vote in the house for a population of 580,000 and California has 52 for 39.4 million people.

            If these reps were concerned about their home state maybe this would work, but it’s all national party politics now.

            • Yeah there are 5 states with less people than Columbus, Ohio, the city, not the metro area. There are 24 states with less people than the Detroit metro area, which is entirely located in Michigan. These aren’t places people associate with huge numbers of people, it’s not like the NYC metro area that’s more populated than 47 states including New York and contains geographically large portions of Connecticut and New Jersey.

              And yeah part of the issue is that some of the tiny states are among the originals. Vermont (49 in population, with less people than the city of Washington DC), while not in the original 13 fought in the American revolution and was the 14th state. Delaware and Rhode Island are between the Dakotas and Montana in population. And while some states could comfortably be broken up into more reasonable chunks, like California, Texas, and Ohio, others like Illinois and New York have a massive population solely because they have one massive city.

            • 16 hours

              “Not exactly, in the Senate every state gets 2 votes. The presidential vote and house are weighted to population.”

              I phrased that poorly but that’s roughly what I meant; it was easier to say than look at the states with the low population counts. It doesn’t matter how many candidates are in the house if a fifth can shut down any progress. It seems like often, the unpopular vote is the what we get. And no way to do anything about politicians that say one thing and do another.

              “If these reps were concerned about their home state maybe this would work, but it’s all national party politics now.”

              This is why all of this sucks. What we’re shown and what the world sees is political theatre. They go behind closed doors and amicably negotiate. A politician that called this out, I haven’t seen another video or anything from him in two years.

              People love to shit on the US like we can actually do anything but only base it on what they see on regulated media.

        • 17 hours

          The thing is, the US is so big that even once you account for the few biggest ones, all the rest of the states in the top 10 each have a population as big as something like Belgium, Portugal, Sweden, or Greece.

          Those aren’t additional Frances, granted, but still pretty significant.

          You’d need about 5 Frances just to cover the population, ignoring the area.

          • 15 hours

            Yeah but Portugal or Greece can’t prevent France from functioning properly or force federal laws unto it, can they.

            • 14 hours

              More the other way round during the last sovereign debt crisis.

              Ironically it’s France that’s now drowning in debt.

              • 11 hours

                True, but that came mostly from being in a beggar’s shoes and not so much from how the EU political system is structured, though it’s not like there isn’t any overlap…

                • Nah, that came from being hogtied by the Euro.

                  Both Portugal and Greece used to “solve” (temporarily, of course) such problem when they had their own currencies by changing the interest rates to essentially inflate away the excess debt, something that they can’t do in the Euro.

                  In fact, if you look at for example the history of GDP Growth in Portugal, you see a huge increase in growth after the 1974 revolution (which replaced Fascism with Democracy), then another increase when the country joined the EU and then a steep decrease down to levels barely above those during Fascism when the Euro came to be.

                  Those countries gave away their control over their monetary policy and thus when push came to shove the big countries fucked them up spare large banks from those countries having to suffer the consequences of lending money at stupidly low interest rates to countries whose economies and economic and fiscal policies did not justify it.

                • 7 hours

                  EU austerity was enforced though. That’s no different from federal law

            • 11 hours

              Ever heard of EU veto/unanimity rules? Look what Hungary did.

              • 11 hours

                That’s not forcing rules on France now is it?

                Let me expand on that: unanimity is required for stuff like EU foreign policy and some other sensitive areas, but many things require a qualified majority, not unanimity.

                The US goes about it very differently, they wildly misrepresent the Senate, and this spills into other areas like the electoral college or judge appointments, subverting the whole thing.

                What the “fixed map with less Frances” aims to show is exactly this, that the US gives small states disproportionate power over everyone, since a minority of the population can control the Senate and, through it, federal legislation and judicial appointments, let alone the presidency.

      • 19 hours

        Part of the problem there is the signing of the bill actually prevented the strike… The point of a strike is that can’t fire everyone… And similarly, they can’t send everyone to jail…

        • 19 hours

          As I wrote, a strike or preferably mass quitting might just get you a kick in the ass–back to work with a gun to your head by the national guard.

      • 23 hours

        Guns could save them from this but the only ones with guns are the ones supporting the policies.

  • 18 hours

    Is there something exceptional about english-speaking white people that makes them such effective bootlickers?

    • A quick glance at uprisings and riots in British history might surprise you. I frequently-ish pass two buildings in Wales where the British Army shot and killed British people.

      You have to subjugate your own people before you can subjugate foreign people.

    • no, it’s the French that are the exception, we German-speaking white people aren’t very different from English-speaking ones either

      • Ah, yes, I forgot for some reason that Germans are some of the all-time greats at boot licking.

      • If I was to defend any argument, it would be that Romance peoples (French, Spanith, Portuguese, etc.) are more likely to protest than Germanic people (English, German, Scandinavian)

  • 1 day

    I remember hearing about French firefighters getting geared up, setting themselves on fire, and running at riot police lol.

    • Kids told about thursdays riots here in Bordeaux where the firefighters came and put out the burning trashcans etc, but they also cheered the protesters on!

      Same side 😘!

      • My kid’s teachers: “I can’t help you build barricades in front of the school. I’m legally bound to teach my scheduled classes. It would be such a pity if your barricades were already built tomorrow before 7am, and I physically couldn’t get inside. Or would 7.30 be better for y’all?”