• 6 days

    My company made my job soul-sucking to the point I was doing the bare minimum a long time ago. They didn’t even need AI for that. Just some really shitty managers.

  • I don’t hate Claude Code or whatever. I hate the company pushing you to constantly churn out shit so you need to turn to these tools to keep up pace or get fired.

    Architecture decisions or code quality? Fuck it just ship.

    You have concerns about an approach? You’re the enemy to your coworker’s promotion. Get out of the way.

    It’s all just so depressing. It will all come crumbling down. It’s a matter of when not if. But god I hate this ride right now.

    • 7 days

      Time to lean into the slop extra hard. Use AI to create massive PRs, use AI to approve the PRs. Automate sending slack alerts when a feature ships. Be loud, really show some massive “Productivity”.

          • Yeah it’s not fun. Between that and now quarterly performance reviews things have really gone downhill.

            • Quarterly? Wow. Some MBA was probably like public companies need to report quarterly so we should put employees on the same schedule! Dumbass idea.

              • It’s so bad. It’s an absolute waste of time and resources.

                Leadership is like “just use AI to speed things up”. But if I’m just pasting slop in and my manager is using slop to parse and give feedback what’s the goddamn point???

                • My slop machine says you’re not slopping slopply enough! Get back to slopping, and we’ll slopback in few months!

      • A guy I don’t really like at work does all sorts of AI induced PRs. I think he thinks it makes him look good. It probably does, to management.

        I got reprimanded for asking if a guy’s extremely weird code was something he wrote himself. He went crying to my boss about how I’m mean on PRs. Fuck you, William. I hope your house catches fire and you pass out while asking Claude for help.

        • Hey William, I’m having trouble understanding this code, it looks a little weird, can you walk me through it in detail, and explain how you came to writing it like this?

          • The responsible, corporate, way of being. Definitely should have done that. I just want people to feel uncomfortable when they have fucked up. Everyone’s just so polite. No one faces social consequences.

            This is the same place where they don’t pay for holidays. My boss told me to stop saying things like “I don’t get paid, so it won’t be that good” when they say “have a good holiday”. If grand-boss, ghoul, and preeminent “We don’t pay for holidays” enforcer Anne was locked in a burning building, maybe I’d just say “happy holidays!” and walk away.

            • To be fair, if i was annoyed enough id maybe ask if they wrote it too hah. That you got reprimanded is ridiculous.

  • Fucking snow flake anti ai nerds, like you weren’t just pressing keys all day anyway, who cares if now it’s just one key??

    /s

  • The sad reality is that most apps are regurgitated CRUD with new design language. The llms are really good are regurgitating this stuff, so the only interesting part left is the 10% that was already interesting before. I just take 2h lunches and spend time with my family while the llms puke out the CRUD, then thoughtfully work through the 10%

      • An elegant solution. I wonder if it is more efficient than a 1TW data centre.

        Seriously, though, we use AI in the worst way possible. I like writing code, I hate checking someone else’s code. Why aren’t AIs doing the checking and engineers doing the coding?

        Forget “human in the loop” - let’s shoot for “reviewed by AI”. Deep down, we know the humans are barely paying attention when they check Claude’s homework.

        • 7 days

          I can attest this does work well. Having LLMs review your plans for how to do something and point out what you missed works well too. I also have my local LLM review creative writing without writing anything, give feedback about my Blender renders and other artistic things, and be a sounding board for ideas in general. Be warned that Qwen has no mercy and will shit all over your passion projects.

        • Forget “human in the loop” - let’s shoot for “reviewed by AI”

          yeah uh, nah, thanks. I would not trust it any more than I trust the current shit show.

  • If I’m forced into Claude Code or something similar, I will be looking for a new job. Ideally a different role in my company to keep my benefits and not have to completely start over, but if I have to jump ship, I will. Fortunately, our security and GRC teams have explicitly blocked Claude Code for the time being. I still have the tools built into Visual Studio, but I seldomly use them, and when I do it’s basically as stack overflow, and that only when I can’t find what I’m looking for through web searches first.

    We had someone from our Networking team come over the other day and say that he could tell our summer interns were gone because our AI usage dropped by over $1000 / month.

    • Look I’m all for the AI hate but this is just stupid. I’m aware this might not be the most popular opinion here but be warned

      Honestly if I were to change jobs atm asking about their AI policy and usage would be one of the first questions that I’d do and if they don’t use it well and haven’t figured out how to integrate it in their company (as a tool, not necessarily as a product) then I’d end the meeting then and there.

      I’d quit my current company if they prohibited AI tools. Fortunately they don’t force us to use them, nor but we’re all encouraged to find actually uses for it (which in Software Engineering are a ton). If one of my colleagues wouldn’t use AI in any way I no only would consider them less productive, I’d consider them a worse engineer because it shows they can’t adapt.

      AI in general and Claude Code as an example is an AMAZING tool. You just gotta use it properly. I still own the code I ship even if I understand it in less detail than before (that’s the trade off by being able to ship many more features than I could in the past).

      I’ve been in this company for a few years now and just in the past months there are so many projects I have done that there was never an opportunity to do so ever since I joined because it would be days/weeks of work and now it’s a couple of hours while I work on other shit.

      And people/companies that spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in AI every month are idiots who are just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. My company pays me a 100$ month subscription and many colleagues have even cheaper ones. Thats like 1% of my salary and it for sure increases my productivity many orders of magnitude of that.

      • The reality is that these tools are not going away. Thinking that will happen is not realistic.

        They’re part of the deal now. People who refuse to use them will simply become obsolete. It starts in technology, but it will quickly move around.

        Thinking you can just avoid it isn’t practical. It is no different from cars displacing horses and computers displacing typewriters.

        Think of how absurd it would sound if you came across someone who refuses to use a computer and only a typewriter.

      • Nah, fuck AI. I will pivot careers. Anyone that claims to be a developer but generates all of their code is just a modern day script kiddie. Idgaf about efficiencies because the ethical implications of AI are far worse than the extra money I can make for a company.

        I will never be an AI code reviewer, because that’s all prompting is. Like I said, I’ll pivot careers out of dev work before I do that. Pick up a trade and work until I’m 80 if I have to, but that’s still better than being one of Claude’s bitches.

        Outside of the ethics of AI, the idea of sitting in front of a screen and being a “prompt engineer” takes everything I enjoy out of coding. If it was that or death, I’d choose death.

        • Replace all of that but instead of AI use computers or calculators.

          I’m sorry but that is absolutely deranged talk. And you won’t have a choice about pivoting careers. You will be forced to in the same way that nobody in this millennium will hire someone that does their accounting with an abacus. And that’s a good thing.

          Now, am I happy that a lot of people will be out of a job and the profits of that will be funneled into a few pockets? Absolutely not, but this doomsday, Amish like talk won’t help that conversation because the problem isn’t the technology. It’s who owns it

      • I have not found AI code to be so helpful. I actually use it a lot less and more strategically than back when it first became viable. It can save a lot of time in the right situation though.

        • Honestly if you don’t find AI code to be helpful that tells me more about you than AI.

          It is incredibly helpful barring some very specific niches

  • The engineer added that employees are now pressured to ship products as fast as possible, leaving them with little time to review Claude’s output or understand the code being created.

    Companies have always pressured software teams to ship products as fast as possible.

    What’s new is the part where all of the worst coders can shit out code a lot faster and pretend like they’re doing a good job. It used to take them a while to write garbage that they didn’t understand or review themselves, but now they can do it so quickly that it makes the actual good coders look like they’re taking a long time.

    This is why you absolutely have to have documented coding and review standards. The idea that you’d ship any code that has never been reviewed by a human is horrifying.

    The idea that you’d work 12 hour days is so stupid to start with. I’ve seen people consistently work that long and… surprise, they don’t actually work that long. They work about the same as anybody else and goof off the rest of the time. I doubt you can even just press enter for that long. People just don’t work that way.

    • AI in engineering is an accelerator. If you are producing slop software, which most teams are, then it’s just going to accelerate the rate at which you can produce shitty software and bad code.

      If teams are producing high-quality software, then it accelerates those teams’ ability to deliver that quality.

      • AI in engineering is an accelerator.

        Yes, and most engineers effect on the product can be graded on [-1, 1] scale. And I find that the -1s accelerates faster.

        If teams are producing high-quality software

        I had one of those. My seniors are getting dumber though, and we have twice as many prod bugs as a year ago. I had an outage because someone didn’t properly trim an input for fucks sake recently.

    • This is exactly it. I’ve worked with 2 different teams in this new era. One has all strong engineers and good review and testing standards. The other has 20% bad engineers that should have been fired years ago and’s weaker testing culture. The result is the strong team is delivering higher quantity software faster than ever, and the other team is going fast with much worse results. The quality is very bad, and the good engineers still there are quitting.

      The good engineers spend their whole days just trying to keep the ship afloat and minimizing the harm from the bad engineers. They hate it and are burning out fast.

  • AI code assistants currently are like that senior dev who knows everything, has experience in everything, and always likes to help everyone. But sadly he does a lot of shrooms in his spare time and sees things that aren’t there. He also has quite the opinionated ideas about what good code should look like.

    That implies that you just can’t let him do the quality assurance. He can write code. You can ask him stuff. And he excels at debugging.
    But you can’t let him plan the architecture. You can ask him about his ideas and select the ones that are actually good, though.
    And you definitely can’t let him review his own code. Someone else has to do that.

    So if they literally just let the AI do everything, there is absolutely no way anyone has a chance to ever review the result because AI code is harder to review (for now), and AI loves to repeat itself (for now).
    And sure, they can tell it to write tests. But AI is dogshit at writing tests. It tends to forget the important cases, test the wrong thing, and/or obsess about completely irrelevant implementation details.
    I also tried the multi-round approach with a committee of agents trying to iteratively find and fix flaws. It only works well for finding bugs, not fixing them (for now).

    But while AI can’t replace me, it is really nice to have as a tool - just like I have syntax highlighting in the IDE, I have a code assistant that can autocomplete a few lines of code, find out why my code misbehaves, or tell me what some library method is supposed to do. Sure, I have to still verify the results. But often, finding the bug or information was the hard part.
    Coding assistants are great. Just don’t let them write too much code at once. You need someone who still actually understands the codebase. That sadly can’t be an AI (yet).

      • That’s how i always describe them. Over-eager junior devs that are trying to impress you with how fast they can get stuff done. Have a lot of book learning but don’t know when to apply certain things. Sometimes, i feel like it should really only be a tool for senior devs because it feels a lot like mentoring a team of noobs

    • I really love when I ask the AI to do something, and it gives me 40-50 lines to do it, and I tell it there’s no way something like that should take that much code, and it’s like oh, ya you’re right, here’s a 5 line version using something from from the standard sdk.

      I’ve tried to put in its memory to not do things like that, but it keeps doing it.

      • 6 days

        I watched it remove a JSON library include from the code because it wasn’t used yet, and then in the very next prompt where we needed our again, it attempted to write a basic parser from scratch…

        • Brilliant.

          Ive had it do stuff like that completely ignoring that I already have a library in my app that should handle some sort of task. But removing it first is chefs kiss.

      • I guess the AI isn’t iterating over its “ideas” and code yet. I come up with overcomplicated and overcomplex code too. But my natural neural network keeps reevaluating the code while I think about it, write it down, test it, and often even come back to it later after I moved on to another part of the codebase.
        It looks to me like AI is using the infamous waterfall method to write code. It does the “thinking” phase and does bugfix iterations when compilation or tests fail. But never does it question the design it came up with after it wrote it down. It doesn’t reevaluate whether the last round of fixes made tests work that test irrelevant implementation details. It doesn’t question whether there really need to be four methods sharing 90% of their body for doing the basically the same thing only subtly different.
        I hold the suspicion that AI will be as slow as humans when it becomes as reliable because what makes us reliable is the redundancy in our thinking processes. The constant reevaluation in subtly different states of mind helps to catch design flaws and silly mistakes.

        Reevaluation of finalized code is probably not something you can just put into memory. You would need to modify the harness to automatically inject a new prompt triggering reevaluation of the design and implementation after each step. This would likely increase token use and execution time by an order of magnitude. And if you do it by spawning fresh agents, there would be a high chance of having the AI go in circles, switching between a few different versions of the same shitty design or implementation. So you need to keep the context, which grows each iteration. So context rot may become a real problem. The AI might deviate from the initial goal just like some human devs tend to do…

        And natural neural networks learn on the job. They adapt to the codebase and industry they are working with/in. claude.md and memory text files help a lot. But they are still sometimes ignored. And I don’t know why. Also, human rules are almost always somewhat fuzzy. Long lines are to be avoided - but unit tests and that one massive dict of dicts really are a lot more readable when ignoring that rule. There might be a lack of good training material on what makes code readable for humans.

        • That actually makes a lot of sense and goes with how ill code something larger as well.

          Get a rough version working, sometimes horrible code. See how it functions. Reassess it and optimize it. Go bug hunting, which will often result in more optimizing, then finish all the error handling I probably skipped and only logged. More bug hunting, then review my code like a code review before submitting it for a code review.

      • 6 days

        Even without external libraries, it routinely comes up with solutions that are at least 3-4x the complexity and LOC than how I would implement it.

        • It’s because the average quality of code that they are trained on is like that. Most code that is written by humans is slop, and the models represent that.

          Producing overly complicated solutions to uncomplicated problems

          • This is maybe the main reason why I don’t fuck with AI. “Oh it accesses all of the writing on the public internet!” That never inspired a lot of confidence. 99% of Internet posts are crap.

          • It often can do it better if you prod it though. Its just so weird that its really hard to get it to do that. It knows how even if it is trained on poor over complicated stuff.

            • 6 days

              How much time does that prodding take vs how long would it take you to just write the (better) code yourself?

              • Its usually just 1 or 2 messages saying i dont like this so its only the time it takes to read it and say try again. A minute or two?

                Its faster to just ask to do it again in most cases.

                The times itd probably be quicker to do it on my own are the more complicated ones where it gets something wrong but it wasnt so blatantly obviously bad that I just tell it to try again, so I spend time with the wrong stuff, see its wrong with a little work, then toss it and try again, or re work it myself from that.

        • 6 days

          I can believe this. I’ve been put on slop duty, and had the slopmachine go all

          Time to run the test to ensure everything is good. It passed. Good. Let’s run the entire suite to ensure no regressions. All tests passed, yay.

          And I’m here thinking, if you’re gonna run the whole suite anyway, why’d you run an individual test? That’s just redundant.

          • It’s pretty much what i do when i think i’m done. Run the test(s) for the stuff i touched, then the whole suite to make sure nothing else broke. Why would i take all that time to run the whole suite every time?

            • 5 days

              Obviously when I work I don’t run the entire suite, that’d be a waste of time. When I’m finished, I run the entire suite, I don’t sit and run the tests I’ve been testing against as I’m working because I already expect those to pass.

              If they don’t, that’s caught when I run the entire suite. I don’t sit and run individual tests followed by the entire suite.

    • 6 days

      I‘d love if I could just hit enter but the garbage it shits out unsupervised is just soo bad.