12 daysSo a quick search suggests air traffic controllers make around $75,000 annually. $875 million would pay the salaries of 11,666 air traffic controllers for a decade at that wage.
Even considering inflation, training, medical, etc that $875,000,000 could pay for thousands of hired Amemricans for a decade. Republicans are literally the worst.
$75,000 annually
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports about double that as the median pay ($148,080).
I still agree with the rest of your math and think the investment is worth it, but just clarifying the number.
Seems better yes, in EASA airspace ATC is around 100k when starting your career and 220k near retirement.
I bet FAA is within those numbers.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish12 days
the workload is also pretty brutal, so it might not be worth it in the end, and the ability to go the training school also is competitive.
Entering the school is a bit annoying but you don’t need anything else besides having a brain and resisting stress. Not knowing if you will succeed is stressful but that goes for any school, and this one is paying you to attend it, not the other way around.
The workload is easy, I’m at the EU airways crossroads and working ATC is easy, I feel like I’m always on days off and I work less than 5h a day. Honestly it’s one of the best career you can do besides being rich and not working.
Maybe it’s because I’ve been doing that for more than a decade so it’s natural now.
And mostly, Europe isn’t FAA, I can’t tell for them but from what I’ve read it’s a shit show over there.
- acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
the other issue is aparently it’s hard to get people to do that job.
- Dagnet@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
I do believe its considered top 2 most stressful jobs, not hard to see why
- blargh513@sh.itjust.worksEnglish12 days
I was listening to live ATC broadcast this evening for O’Hare ground control.
Jesus tapdancing Christ, no idea how they do it.
All you hear is a steady stream of instructions like “j1234, approach 10L and hold, then sierra sierra golf tango tango alpha” which are “directions” for pilots to taxi to a gate.
They are ripping them off at hyperspeed, no mistakes. The audio quality of some pilots is just terrible but somehow they know wtf they said. They have dozens of planes on the ground at a time, organizing the chaos of them all without blinking. In the hour I listened, I heard one dude doing it all, though I think there are two different ground controllers.
Planes blocking taxiways, pilots misunderstanding instructions, someone is taking too long to push back from the gate and they’re making changes and adapting on the fly.
Holy shit y’all.
Listen for yourself and try to figure it out. Audio: https://www.liveatc.net/play/kord1n2_gnd_in.pls Ground mapd: https://www.flightaware.com/resources/airport/ORD/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM/pdf
Good luck.
- poopkins@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
This touches on an interesting point: relying solely on radio for route instructions is archaic and we desperately need to overhaul it with a digital alternative. Why can’t we take some of that budget to modernize ATC?
- bigmclargehuge@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
I know someone who’s atc. He described it as “very very slow Tetris, but when you misplace a piece someone dies.”
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish12 days
they could, but i think initially like requiring to apply to the training school, and then there is a waitlist, and you have to train in okhloma specifically is more than discouraging people.
- 11 days
A couple more schools across the breadth of the country a decade ago would have done more today than $100 billion of AI ATC would do today.
Which is a low bar admittedly, but the point has to be made.
- Giooschi@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
$875 million would pay the salaries of 11,666 air traffic controllers for a decade at that wage.
You’re off by a factor of 10 here. It’s either a year of wages for 11666 controllers or 10 years of wages for 1166 controllers.
900 million could just hire a lot of skilled engineers and air traffic operators that can be well paid but that doesn’t sound as cool and futuristic as AI
You’re absolutely right to push back, I should have landed that plane before it ran out of fuel. Would you like me to explore options for funerals?
I generated a letter to the loved ones. Let me know if you want it to be less personal:
I hope this letter finds you well. Yesterday’s plane crash wasn’t just a terrible accident—it was a horrible mistake…
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish11 days
Absolute worst possible use of an LLM: something safety-critical.
- nullspace@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
I’m sorry, you’re right. I should not have directed that plane to the runway with the two planes that have already crashed into each other.
- glitch1985@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
It’s fine the first two have obviously canceled each other out leaving the runway clear.
