- tino@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Paris has been redesigned in the XIXth century to contain revolts: the wide avenues are hard to block with barricades , and in straight line, so it’s always visible from the main police barracks that are located on the big squares at each end. Also, since 1930, almost all strikes have to use the same route between 3 places: Republique, Bastille and Nation.
So basically, we’ve been storming the Bastille weekly for 2 centuries.
- alcoholicorn@lemmy.mlEnglish5 days
Its not impossible tho, the '68 protests had De Gaulle flee to Germany.
- BigMacHole@thelemmy.clubEnglish6 days
We DONT have Enough MONEY for Teachers! We spent ALL that Money on SHOOTING CHILDREN IN THE FACE instead!
-LITERALLY The French Government!
- kossa@feddit.orgEnglish6 days
Yep. I like how the general consensus in society is “don’t beat your children, that’ll teach them wrongly”. Meanwhile the government out and about beating up all the children, who just ask for a better future 👍. That’ll teach them the right lessons, I guess.
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish4 days
I love riots. Riots are good for Society. They remind the High Command Shitheads who’s really the BOSS.
Riots? It could always get a LOT worse than mere riots.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish5 days
Meanwhile Americans are just fine with a pedophile rapist spending their taxes on god knows what as he removes their rights.
- JamesTBagg@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
I don’t know that most Americans are fine with it but are kept in near dire and paralyzing financial positions. More have some of the most violent, militarized cops on the planet that will kill your dog then you for threatening the system.
4 daysOh boy. Here come the angry Americans.
‘Akshully we voted and wrote some letters so we tried. You know how hard it is to actually do something? Its, like, really hard. I havent been personally shot yet so its really not that bad anyway.’
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish4 days
Yawn…. Not angry kiddo. Just providing contrast to how France is doing it right in comparison… I wouldn’t expect you to understand. So… move along. The comment wasn’t meant for your consumption.
Go be angry somewhere else.
- 4 days
France is denser and makes it easier to organize. America is frickin massive
- ryathal@sh.itjust.worksEnglish4 days
It also helps that you can go protest for a few days and not get fired.
- I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
Last time this happened? You aren’t talking about the revolution right? Because that certainly wasn’t the last time it’s happened.
- HazardousBanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
But MAGA keeps telling me France has burned entirely to the ground because of Muslims! They wouldn’t be saying that just to promote Islamophobia and racism, would they? /s
- betanumerus@lemmy.caEnglish4 days
All protests involving Parisians happen at Place de la Bastille. It’s a large open space and traffic circle holding all kinds of public events.
- Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish4 days
It certainly is a traffic circle. I can’t imagine what must have been going through those people’s heads when they decided to just make a giant open loop that people can enter with no clear plan to exit. It’s like a highway with no lanes with houses built directly on it.
- betanumerus@lemmy.caEnglish4 days
The area was cleared from the Bastille fortress-prison decades before cars appeared. It became a huge intersection for very slow pedestrian and horse traffic, surrounded by downtown style businesses.
- betanumerus@lemmy.caEnglish3 days
I have know doubt you know better than elected Parisian officials! You go girl!
- antianarchist@sopuli.xyzEnglish6 days
The US should take notes. No one is as efficient at protesting as France.
it happens here but it goes ignored with the largest happening during trump years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size
- antianarchist@sopuli.xyzEnglish6 days
Do you have any idea how protests in France work? Size is not what counts. They will burn down the whole city if it has to be. Garbage cans and cars regularly get ignited and flipped over. Pure chaos in the whole city for DAYS, if not weeks, not just a couple hours. And they are all ready to answer police with violence, if they are violent towards the people.
No Kings etc is just a nice get together with a bit of cosplay.
(of course I am exaggerating a little bit, but don’t ever compare US protests to French protests)
- tene@leminal.spaceEnglish6 days
don’t ever compare US protests to french protests
Why not? Having been at both, I will compare them (out of spite)
I agree that french protests are generally more intense, we have witnessed similarities in the recent protests (in Minneapolis for example).
Spontaneous upheaval, organized response to police brutality, occupation of large avenues and city cultural trademarks, property damage…
I do feel that there is a lack of class cohesion and solidarity in the US protests, response to police crowd control isn’t as good, groups of ultras are few and unorganized, protests don’t last as long and aren’t discussed in public opinion as often, there isn’t as many meaningful chants (or enthusiasm when chanting them) and last but not least, it’s way harder for the protest to have a meaningful impact on a city’s normal operations because they’re so damn big
- Auli@lemmy.caEnglish4 days
Yes look at Minneapolis it is possible in America people just don’t want to.
- WizardOfFrobozz@lemmy.caEnglish5 days
For Americans, doing the protest is an end in itself. They’re a way for comfortable white liberals to telegraph that they’re “on the right side” and “the good ones” so that they can return to doing nothing after a few hours of waving signs around and posting photos.
There is never any plan to escalate, never any thought to what happens if their demands aren’t met. The US does parades. Bring the kids, it’ll be fun- you can LARP participation in democracy.
oh yea we’re not france also US is far more of a police state by comparison and far, far larger
- Auli@lemmy.caEnglish4 days
And have more people and most people live in cities so what is your point.
- RichardDegenne@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
US protesters: hold up a sign saying “We’re angry” French protesters: are angry
We are not the same.
- njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Debatable. The people of France gained more liberties than anyone else in contental Europe at the time. Feudal rights abolished, internal trade barriers stripped away, eventually the best law code the world had seen to that point, etc… It was overwhelmingly positive for the people of France long-term.
Long-term, sure, but they quickly lost most of their gains in the short and medium term when Napoleon restored the monarchy.
- njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Not at all. Napoleon’s Empire was extremely enlightened compared to the ancient regime they had been laboring under. He’s the one that implemented said law code for instance. It wasn’t a republic but in a lot of way Napoleon’s reign is what cemented the gains of the Revolution. The institution that made them permanent and helped to forge the concept of the nation of France.
Also don’t forget that Napoleon overthrew the dictatorship of the Directory that itself had overthrown the Revolution.
- Not_Dav3@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
The Directory was dysfunctional but not a dictatorship. I mean, what kind of dictatorship cuts the executive power five ways?
Napoleon’s reign is a mixed bag. He did cement some of the gains of the Revolution but it still wasn’t a good time to be a woman or a former slave.
Worse than in other countries? Serious question. Women seemed implicated in the revolution a lot for example (not always in a good way). Maybe it freed the mind of people.
- Not_Dav3@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
From the Wikipedia page “Women in the French Revolution”:
“Feminism emerged in Paris as part of a broad demand for social and political reform. These women demanded equality for women and then moved on to a demand for the end of male domination. Their chief vehicle for agitation were pamphlets and women’s clubs. The Jacobin element in power abolished all the women’s clubs in October 1793 and arrested their leaders. The movement was crushed. Devance explains the decision in terms of the emphasis on masculinity in wartime, Marie Antoinette’s bad reputation for feminine interference in state affairs, and traditional male supremacy. A decade later the Napoleonic Code confirmed and perpetuated women’s second-class status.”
And to expand on that last sentence on the Napoleonic Code:
“With regard to family, the code established the supremacy of the husband over his wife and children, the status quo in Europe at the time. Women had even fewer rights than children. Divorce by mutual consent was abolished in 1804.”
Thanks for the info!
Guess the pendulum swung back for some time there!
- menas@lemmy.wtfEnglish6 days
No, Napoleon was a tyran and retcon a lot of liberty ; slavery, antisemitic laws, for example. The only legacy of Napoleon that matter is his own propaganda that still exist in France. I would bet that you’ve followed a French education
Are you saying we don’t protest? Because I’ve been to 4 protests this year and was suppressed by police at 2 of them. What am I taking note of? The fact that so many people on here get a hate boner for Americans just as much as they do for Trump?
God I’m so fucking sick of this attitude. Americans are trying to fix this. How about you go get maced and shot at by the police and then tell me how much you want to do it again? I have a sneaking suspicion that the vast majority of people with your attitude would turn tail or stay home in our exact situation.
People have literately been killed by “police” in the USA while trying to protest and do something.
I’m with you, it’s not a fucking competition, we’ve got to fight to unite. And I say this a someone who’s French.
- jambudz@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
Americans protest when it’s convenient (for the most part). The biggest evidence of that is the no kings protests. Doesn’t interfere with work or business. A true protest would do actual damage because of the lack of work being performed for the owner class.
- LilB0kChoy@reddthat.comEnglish5 days
A quarter of the working age population is functionally unemployed. They can’t afford to protest the way you want or they won’t eat, will lose their housing because there’s no social safety nets. Of the few that existed those were some of the first things to go.
Americans could petition their government representation to fix that but that representation either doesn’t care or has no power in the current system.
What you’re talking about would be, essentially, a siege with each side trying to wait out the other; and that’s assuming you could get enough people together.
Let’s compare France, a country known for protest, with the US:
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France population ~70 million
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US population ~340 million
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France size ~551,000km squared
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US size ~9,900,000km squared
With just those two numbers we can see that France’s population is ~1/5th of the US in a country roughly 1/18th the size of the US. That’s without getting into the transportation options that are available in France that aren’t available in the US to get people to the seat of power.
There has been an ongoing campaign to weaken the power of the citizens of the US for decades and that’s not the only place. Fascism is on the rise globally.
- LilB0kChoy@reddthat.comEnglish4 days
Thank goodness you’re not running for political office in America I guess. They already have enough people in power who like to shit on others and try to demoralize them while doing nothing to support or help.
You might fit right in quite well in Alberta though.
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- Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
the first time, people were hungrier and more determined to unseat the existing leadership. this group today appears to be more amenable to working with the existing leadership by comparison
- Peacepath@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
I think the previous time was the yellow vest movment (gilets jaunes) ; and the gouvernment got saved by Covid…
