- Pollo_Jack@lemmy.worldEnglish18 hours
Because no one thinks the owners of the tech would be so benevolent.
- 1 day
People don’t love their families though. We saw that during COVID when parents went nuts because they were force to stay home with their kids.
I loved having us all home together, and I actually grew closer to my kid during COVID. Our relationship got stronger as father and son because he saw me so much more since I wasn’t in an office and commuting for like 10-12 hours of my day. It was so fun to do little science experiments and teach him some fun life lessons.
I’m an outlier though. I love being with my wife and kid, and they love being with me. So many parents are always bitching about their kids or spouses and then pawning the kids off on others. Our house is the hangout house and so many of my son’s friends feel safe stopping by just to say hello on their way home from school.
I guess this is why I have successfully made a career switch to teaching. I genuinely think kids are pretty cool and worth our time!
We see it every summer when parents ship their kids off to summer camp.
exactly, parents use K-12 schools as daycare and parenting, disciplining. thats why some grow up dysfunctional in some form or another(usually way after HS).
also getting pets for the wrong reasons during covid, to cope, and when its lifted they were back at the shelter eventually.
That’s not how the economy works. Unless there’s no human work to do at all, most will just be pushed out of their comfier thinking jobs into physical labor jobs.
2 daysThats not how productivity works. We dont just stop at slave labor we industrialize everything.
- 2 days
run a business. it’s unsustainable to be kind to your employees because your competition won’t. capitalism is fractal, you can understand it at every level by comprehending any individual level. you need secrets, cleverness, ruthlessness and sustainability.
Sorry but thats just not true. You better believe the kind employer has the best talent. Its just… well if youve never experienced what it is to work with talented people…
- 1 day
You are filled with life and love and optimism and that combination deserves to thrive. I don’t think you understand markets yet, but I hope you have the greatest success.
This guy is part of the real problem.
Our little chimp brains equate power over others with success, detached from results.
If someone isn’t hurting, it’s not working, so the infinite leisure created by automation becomes infinite time to discover how to hurt people and torture each other.
If it’s not suffering, it’s not hustle.
What fresh new horrors await when results are even MORE detached from individual power trips.
No, youre just stuck in the mindset of the ruthless manipulator. No good thing came about though ruthless capitalism. Capitalism feeds on the rotting corpse. The left overs of innovation.
- 20 hours
The ruthless manipulator is the dominant group. I’ve grown empathy on purpose over decades, so yes it’s natural that i understand bad people better than people who didn’t work hard to do so
The dominant force is only 30% of whatever group. The other 70% are sympathetic. The foundation is held up by belief and fear. It would only take a small group with a united message to shake it to the ground.
- 2 days
Lots of people are saying that what are you talking about? It’s just not any of the Epstein class.
How many hugs is enough hugs?
Another question, what was the appropriate amount of hugs that you obviously recieved?
One of my secondary school teachers once remarked that you need at least 3 hugs a day. She also qualified that by saying you get to decide what counts as a hug, because some people are more comfortable with handshake (or analogous) than a hug.
Having a 5 year old, 3 hugs a day is insane. I get more than 3 hugs in the first minute of my kid waking up. I’m already scared knowing their cuddliness won’t last forever. The first time I’ve spent one day/night away and I got so touch deprived by 5 pm I almost started cuddling my friend.
I like hugs but wont go in for one. People scare me, or really, they make me anxious.
- 1 day
Yeah, that’s one of the reasons the “Free Hugs” persons at PLUR-positive festivals and events exist. They want to give hugs to the people that want them but are scared to initiate. The sign is supposed to puncture the anxiety cloud, but it doesn’t always work.
I hope you get all the hugs you want, even if you never find the “courage” to go in for one.
- 2 days
HELL no! We can work even more overtime and make even more money for our billionaire masters!
… pharsing
Until less youre trying to summon the epstein class.
- Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
The techbros advocating for the ai don’t have families they love. At best, they have trophy family.
- 2 days
There has never been a case of capitalism using improvements in efficiency to let people work less, use fewer resources, etc.
It’s always more, more, more.
- 2 days
This is about it. If you can produce 2x output per worker you’re not going to give each worker half days, you’re going to cut down your workforce until supply once again matches demand. As this cycle repeats jobs become more and more competitive as workers fight for placements at these more efficient firms. They’ll pursue advanced degrees and extra certifications to stand out. This produces a lot of stuff, but ultimately creates a warped standard of living. Higher productivity ironically makes time spent not working or pursuing prerequisites to work more expensive.
- 2 days
As some wise boys said 40 years ago, “you gotta fight, for your right, to party”.
AI doesn’t exist. LLMs aren’t doing anyone’s jobs.
They help search for stuff, like finding molecules and DNA strands in medicine. Finding a book out of an entire library. Boilerplate code. Frequently asked questions. That’s all they do. Parroting, searching, and other menial tasks that can be done thanks to prediction.
People may save time thanks to them, but they still have to do their jobs.When an “AI” appears to show any kind of competency outside of being a glorified search engine, it’s because they have an underpaid human behind it actually refining the results.
Search engines changed the world. I agree, we shouldnt grant inanimate objects qualities of humans but that what we do.
- 2 days
You might be too young to understand how good search engines USED TO BE. With determination nothing was impossible, there’s nothing line that today, not even AI
Rose tint glasses much?
The best was just putting reddit after everything.
That was only like 5 years ago.
Bah. The best search results were clearly more than a decade ago. Even a decade ago too much SEO manipulation (and search engine collusion) was showing up in the search results we saw.
I don’t agree that the best search was regular expressions and Boolean combinators ala AltaVista. Early Google was quite the improvement (and still had some advanced operators), and even the first release of Bing was almost as good. Anyone remember the Bing v. Google challenge MS encouraged people to do? I picked my own niche interests and while Google won, Bing put points on the board.
I think it was sometime after AdWords and DoubleClick merged when things went downhill. I don’t remember the exact timeframe, but eventually the advertisers and SEO parts started directing search from the inside, things steadily decreased in quality. Adding “reddit” to the end of a search was a entry-level way to fight against that, not a return to old or new peak search quality.
The problem back then is there was not a lot of content. It was just a sheer lack of credible sources for common topics. Reddit and Wikipedia bridged the gap but of course they want to rape Wikipedia and have already dismantled reddit.
I agree Wikipedia was a pretty poor hit in '98, but by '06 it was pretty decent.
The one thing I will admit is, game guides migrating to YouTube and not just some text file I search through has ruined the format irreparably.
I guess wikis help but they are often too much of a project then just writing it out so they go undeveloped.
- 1 day
you are VERY young, then. i have success-tinted glasses from 2004, nothing delusional about it. learn about regular expressions and be amazed, you can even call it AI if it keeps you interested in it
- 20 hours
I’ll repeat myself, learn regular expressions. it’ll unlock real interest in you, and banish a lot of your mysticism
In order to work less (fewer hours or more time off), we need legislation that restricts work hours and requires companies to grant a minimum amount of time off. I agree with the sentiment that AI could free us up for more leisure, but in the absence of legislation, companies will just squeeze more productivity out of each worker without granting more leisure time.
i have been , hell go all the way back to Bertrand Russel, he does as well, see his treatise “In Praise of Idleness”, famous economists like Maynard Keys projected we’d all be broking 15 hrs a week now for the same pay.
Productivity increases have gone to the very wealthy and we’ve voted for it, over decades, over and over and in the face of all that evidence ? we’d fuck in’ do it again, Leopards Eating My Face is full of examples. Solutions ? there arent any, the world has to many hateful and stupid people easily led by physcopaths and grifters . Not just the US, it’s near ubiquitous.
- 2 days
AI will do all the white collar jobs, robots will continue doing more of the tedious manual work. What will be left is insane competition for jobs that are like custom maintenance, nursing, etc. But the question becomes, what does a society look like with over 30% of workers no longer needing to work because AI is doing it, while about 30% of worker’s positions are still extremely necessary?
People fail to realise we have already reached the threshold for nonessential jobs; that’s why people can make millions from being an influencer.
The competition for jobs is so tight that its a luxury to have a job; think about how fucked up that is.
- 1 day
I don’t agree with that at all, “it’s a luxury to have a job”? There are many problems still needing to be solved. Most people work out of necessity.
Most people work out of necessity because they need money, which is a separate issue.
- 19 hours
I’d just rephrase what you wrote to be correct, “it’s a luxury to have a high paying job that you enjoy doing”. And then I’d say “a lot of jobs are worked due to necessity”.
And then to top it off I’d say “AI is making those high paying jobs that people enjoy doing less necessary, while leaving the harder manual jobs for everyone to scramble to compete for”.
It doesn’t even have to be a high paying job that’s enjoyable, just having a stable job where youre not abused is a luxury lol
the only ones making millions as influencers, are usually people that are already well off, or rich.
Everyone pictures the final outcome so clearly… like we just going to pretend we are good at predicting the future with pinpoint accuracy?
- 3 days
No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.
- 3 days
Washing machine.
Also, lighter work loads and less time consuming are different arguments - unless you mean no technology has ever resulted in neither, which is a rather bold statement.
- 3 days
Counterpoint: The cotton gin. It was supposed to make slavery obsolete, but actually reinvigorated the practice of slavery by making slaves able to do more work.
- 3 days
Before washing machines, people would hand off washing to professionals. Now the expectation is that the person who can afford it must wash things themselves. More time spent on that.
- 2 days
Before washing machines, people would hand off washing to professionals.
Uh, maybe for rich people…
Let me introduce you to the washboard and the bucket.
- Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish2 days
The professionals, who obviously could wash clothes just by staring at them.
Dish washer, laundry washer, laundry drier, lawn mower, a vehicle, there’s thousands dude.
Do people not do laundry for work? Mow lawns? Drive? Anything you could use for personal use can also help with work… what about a restaurant? No washing machines there apparently….
Do you have any specific examples that are solely “home saving” pieces of technology? Or do other peoples jobs not exist past your desk?
The whole point is that those technologies don’t save the workers time at all, because the time saved just gets filled up with more work. The business owners are the one who benefit from the increased productivity, not the workers.
The workers don’t get more free time as a result of the technology. In many cases, they take a pay cut because the technology makes their job “easier” or “less skilled.” So they still work 8 or more hours a day, and they still make barely enough to get by on (if they even make that much), while their boss only gets richer for their efforts.
This is the entire point that seems to be going over your head.
[Edit: “easier” and “less skilled” were in scare-quotes because they don’t represent my personal point of view, but it’s how the employers justify it. Thought that would be obvious.]
Pretty sure every piece of technology past the wheel can be considered to save humans time with their tasks.
- 3 days
Better technology frees more time for other tasks. Whether that’s work or leisure depends on the individual. Everyone has the same 24 hours a day independent of how you use them. Most people don’t just sit and do nothing. To even suggest that things like an electric stove, washing machine, lawnmower or a bicycle aren’t saving people real time on tasks they’d have to do either way is ridiculous.
Seems like we still must work the same amount regardless of how much we’d “like” to do other things though. What you’re talking about happened, but happened a long time ago.
In most cases people get paid by the hour. The wage is compensation for your time, not effort. If a new technology comes along that increases your work productivity you’ll still end up working the same hours because that’s what you’re being paid for. I’d say that there’s still a real difference between spending 8 hours a day swinging an axe compared to running a chainsaw. Same amount of time is spent working but the effort needed goes down while productivity increases.
However, this isn’t always the case. I work in construction and it’s not untypical that someone has a fixed price for completing a job. There you are not compensated for your time per se but effort. If you’re quick you do get to “go home early.” However this doesn’t lead to people working less either - quite the opposite. They get greedy, hoard too much work, rush it, the quality suffers and they tend to get really stressed out and easily irritated.
In olden times before washing machines people were expected to change into clean (washed) underclothes daily, and an apron got washed when dirty, but their main clothing went a long time between cleanings. Even longer than the clothes on the chair, like months.
Similarly, expectations of manicured pool-table lawns with the advent of lawnmowers.
Better stoves/ovens I’ll totally grant you. I have enough trouble adjusting from my old “runs hot” oven to my new “runs cold” oven, I can’t imagine trying to bake a cake in a wood or coal oven.
And the horse that preceded the bicycle took more maintenance, not less.
Why constantly add more tasks? There’s only finite amount of maintenance on a house or things that need to get done.
human innovativeness ensures there’s always new things that people want to do.
- Skyrmir@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Labor competition prevents productivity gains from generating excess labor in capitalist systems.
Then supply and demand must follow.
Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn’t set up like that.
- 3 days
Exactly. The system is set up so that people work for barely enough to survive. Introducing better tools doesn’t give labor more free time, it gives their bosses more money. We’ve seen this with every technology since the cotton gin now: that’s why no one imagines that AI will give people more time with their families.
Then then the argument isn’t about jobs and feeding that narrative is unproductive
- 3 days
You’re the one who asked “Why isn’t anyone saying that [great labor saving technology] will give us more free time?”
Its not my fault you havent accepted youre a wage slave yet and havent become the right amount of cynical that you can recognize dripping sarcasm when its right in front of you.
