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Technology@beehaw.orgbyChris Remington@beehaw.org
6 hours

Please Let the Internet Die | Online spaces are captured by oligarchs and saturated with slop—and they’re exacerbating humanity’s worst impulses. It’s time to start over.

www.wired.com

https://wallhop.io/https://www.wired.com/story/let-the-internet-die/

https://archive.ph/sNbrl

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    Please Let the Internet Die
    www.wired.com
    Online spaces are captured by oligarchs and saturated with slop—and they’re exacerbating humanity’s worst impulses. It’s time to start over.
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    • agentTeiko@piefed.socialEnglish
      1 hour

      IRC just over here just doing its thing the new new is old lol

      • SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org
        5 hours

        If someone comes at you with a knife, you don’t shoot the knife.

        • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
          6 hours

          Another article that confuses 3-4 corporate websites with the hundreds of millions of websites on “The Internet”

          • book@lemmy.zip
            6 hours

            https://wallhop.io/https://www.wired.com/story/let-the-internet-die/

            • luciole (they/them)@beehaw.org
              7 hours

              What yall commenting about? The article’s paywalled 😑

                • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  6 hours

                  That was my first thought too… “The internet has been ruined by capitalists!” says the capitalist website.

                    • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
                      2 hours

                      Even anti-capitalists have to survive in our capitalist hellscape, and if you can get paid to spread the message that capitalism is bad, all the better.

                    • Beej Jorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org
                      6 hours

                      https://archive.ph/sNbrl

                      • Kissaki@beehaw.orgEnglish
                        6 hours

                        The new internet they envision. Walled.

                      • Malica@lemmy.zip
                        5 hours

                        There is no going back. That’s why we will not survive our technological adolescence.

                        • wings@lemmy.rimfaxe.net
                          9 hours

                          Nah, just move to the fediverse instead

                            • tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                              9 hours

                              They’ve brought the slop here too, comrade.

                                • Malica@lemmy.zip
                                  5 hours

                                  Yes but by it’s very nature, the Fediverse can resist

                                    • tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                      5 hours

                                      It’s work. I’m glad that other people can take that on.

                                    • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                      6 hours

                                      where?

                                        • tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                          6 hours

                                          Anywhere and everywhere. It happens even in communities that have a rule against it. Which is the only way I can see it since I have blocked all the pro-llm/slop gen communities.

                                          I am glad that there are truly discerning lemmings that are calling it out. I just saw one earlier this morning. I didn’t even notice it was slop until I saw a comment pointing it out.

                                            • Malica@lemmy.zip
                                              5 hours

                                              I downvote all slop but I’m terrible at discerning it, so if the consensus in the thread is that it’s slop, I downvote. It’s the best i can do while I learn to tell it apart. It keeps getting harder and I think it’s a terrible idea to throw around AI accusations without being sure. That could crater someone’s self esteem.

                                              • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                                5 hours

                                                Huh I haven’t noticed any. Maybe because my instance defederated dbzero

                                                  • tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                                    3 hours

                                                    Someone just reposted the slop I saw earlier in lemmy.world

                                                    https://feddit.org/post/37541126

                                                      • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                                        3 hours

                                                        I don’t think that’s AI generated. The photo of earth part could easily be. But the meme doesn’t give AI vibes at all.

                                                      • tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                                        5 hours

                                                        It’s not coming from one just community. I’ll admit that there are some really astute people calling it out and most, if not all, comms deal with it properly.

                                                  • Naich@piefed.worldEnglish
                                                    9 hours

                                                    It’s easier to block it here, and it doesn’t get forced down your throat in the first place. If Elon Twatface came on here, everyone could ignore him and he’d go away. He couldn’t buy it and force his bullshit on us either.

                                                      • Stormy@thelemmy.club
                                                        4 hours

                                                        There are 100% communities on lemmy ran by malicious individuals pushing shit that benefits elon musk. How are you so sure he hasn’t already released his bot army on lemmy?

                                                          • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
                                                            3 hours

                                                            That’s expected. The difference is the Fediverse gives the users the flexibility to employ our own strategies for dealing with it. When a bunch of money is clearly being spent astroturfing the tiktok/ig/reddit algorithms, you can’t do anything about it. But here, instances can decide to defederate from other instances that aren’t properly moderating such content. Yeah, Elon can make his own instance, he can even spend money creating bots on other instances, but the Fediverse gives us the tools to cull them.

                                                              • Stormy@thelemmy.club
                                                                3 hours

                                                                The thing is, normal people have no idea what you’re talking about. Defederate? Instances?

                                                                These are nonsense words to everyone that hasnt been here since its conception.

                                                                  • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
                                                                    3 hours

                                                                    You’re switching your argument. Is your argument that the Fediverse can also be manipulated by the wealthy, or that people outside the Fediverse don’t understand what the Fediverse is? Those are two different conversations.

                                                                      • Stormy@thelemmy.club
                                                                        2 hours

                                                                        Idk what I’m doing, but both parts suck.

                                                              • Rhaedas@fedia.io
                                                                9 hours

                                                                “They” being people. It might be a feature of just having enough people in a group.

                                                              • drkt@scribe.disroot.org
                                                                9 hours

                                                                The fediverse has 0 safety rails against oligarch takeover. We only survive here because we don’t have enough users to matter to them.

                                                                  • ryan213@lemmy.ca
                                                                    38 minutes

                                                                    What do you mean?! There are dozens of us!!

                                                                    • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                                                                      8 hours

                                                                      Large swaths of fediverse block Threads.

                                                                      Its not perfect but it is a guardrail, and better than any other social networking software I know.

                                                                      Least outside of Wafrn, which is also too horny, gay, and furry-coded to be commercialized.

                                                                      That’s a good solution as well as it turns out.

                                                                        • Deyis@beehaw.org
                                                                          7 hours

                                                                          too horny, gay, and furry-coded to be commercialized.

                                                                          Had the same feedback about my autobiography, weirdly.

                                                                          • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                                                            6 hours

                                                                            I don’t understand the whole blocking Threads thing. How is forcing your own users to make a Threads account not actively helping Meta?

                                                                              • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                                                                                6 hours

                                                                                The fediverse has 0 safety rails against oligarch takeover.

                                                                                The guardrail is about keeping meta sludge from people who want to interact with it, not fixing the rubes that like the duping.

                                                                                If you choose to directly interact with a meta product that’s your own damn fault. You can’t fix stupid, but you can contain it away from the people who don’t want to interact with it.

                                                                                  • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                                                                    5 hours

                                                                                    Huh? Using the fediverse is indirectly interacting with Meta… Not directly.

                                                                                      • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                                                                                        2 hours

                                                                                        No the opposite of interacting with meta products would be like living in the woods or some shit. I think of this place more as a methadone clinic.

                                                                                • Rhaedas@fedia.io
                                                                                  9 hours

                                                                                  Nothing’s perfect, but there isn’t one main database to control. They can make the independent user harder to hear and to talk to others, but it’s far better than one domain where there’s absolute say on what can be seen and said. The main lemmy sites could go down and the rest would function, and others would grow to take their place. They’re only larger because they were active first and people weren’t aware they could pick others, or preferred to go where most were so it would be more active.

                                                                                  • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
                                                                                    6 hours

                                                                                    How could the fediverse be taken over?

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