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- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish13 days
What a weird sequence of sentences to describe that no one likes data centers
people aren’t dropping their shorts…
cracks are forming…
13 daysDon’t worry, this administration will still drop their shorts. Hell, they’ll remove their lower rib cage as well just to further please the billionaires.
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish13 days
remove their lower rib cage
Hahahaha now there is a line I haven’t heard in a while. I think Marilyn Manson came out saying he never did that to address the rumors that he did. However, could totally see this cult of an administration getting behind it if they were asked to.
They’d also pull up their shirts to show their scars. No sarcasm.
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish13 days
Yah just like the diapers on the ears, the stupid toupes, and the geriatric diapers as outer wear…fucking idiots.
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish12 days
Some of these sources may be questionable, but you can do your own searches from there lol
Why Republicans Are Wearing Fake Ear Bandages
The toupe thing I kind of made up but here is an example lol
Donald Trump Mocked Over His ‘MAGA Mullet’ Hairstyle
Trump Supporters Wear ‘MAGA Diapers’ At Rallies: A Take On ‘Von ShitzInPantz’ ?
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish13 days
Well then, maybe i’m confused lol. Wouldn’t be surprised if multiple people were rumored to do it back then.
- shartgargle@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
Yeah, and Britney Spears had to have her stomach pumped from swallowing too much cum. Rumors back then were wild.
I’m studying his body. I’ve never studied the body of a man before. It’s not my thing. Nothing wrong with it, of course. But I looked at his ass and then I looked at his legs. I said, “His ass—shit—it’s like, it’s like a pile of muscle.” Then I looked at his legs, and I said, “Man, his feet are big.” Then I looked at his shoulders, and I tapped him on the shoulder, and it actually hurt my hand. It was like a piece of steel.
- shartgargle@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
That’s exactly what I thought. Like wow, that part is in the headline? Lol
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish12 days
Lol, exactly. Someone was feeling frisky writing that headline lol.
Turns out a business plan consisting of »build a trillion dollars of server farms now, figure out who pays later« gets slightly less charming once the lenders ask for actual numbers. The AI industry wanted to disrupt every profession except the ancient art of checking whether the math works.
- 🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸@sh.itjust.worksEnglish13 days
“We plan to shoot for the moon and land on a pile of money” classic Silicon Valley businessplan.
Considering how tech CEOs are acting, with their bunkers, bodyguards, remote islands and rockets, I’m not sure they planned to come back after leaving with all our money.
- 🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸@sh.itjust.worksEnglish13 days
leaving with all our money.
Talk is they’re planning on staying away while money and debts inflates away to zero and come back with all the deeds when the fighting stops.
The AI bust will be an order of magnitude worse. The money involved is staggering. AI is almost all of America’s GPD and a monster chunk of stock valuation.
- 12 days
Yep, and like the dot-com bubble, businesses have tied themselves too closely with AI to the point it’ll be harder to backtrack and pull out than with the dot-com boom. At least word of mouth and having a website were easily separable from the business end. Having a website and integrating AI into your website and your business is a whole different story.
- moustachio@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
All of these companies are not publicly traded. The “big ones” that build the data centers will lose a lot of value but will continue to exist.
The LLM companies deserve to & should go under.
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
As someone on the inside, I can assure you that the buyers put down money up front for a specified product and delivery date. There is no speculation involved. They line up to give us money. Unless Microsoft et al. goes bankrupt, we keep building.
- Snowclone@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
It’s not an issue of prediction, or prophesy, it’s that all the available information right now looks like a classic bubble. could it find profitably? idk. is it profitable? No. is there billions or trillions in debt changing hands too fast for anyone to keep track of? yes. is someone selling somke? most likely these are the situations in which con artists thrive. probably not everyone is intending to sell smoke. but not all of this is going to work out, some may come out on top, but some will fall, and that will be a bubble.
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
Going a step further, the builders that build with environmental and community concerns first are more likely to endure. My company does exactly that.
FTA:
Drawing on data from regulatory intelligence outfit RegLayer, the FT reports that 47 large data center projects have already fallen through this year. Analysts at the equity research firm Bernstein only believe that about 35 percent of planned facilities are feasible.
Would you dispute these claims, based on your experience?
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Not at all. Most builders are clueless. They think that because they have money, they can solve any problems.
Edit: Adding that site selection is HARD. Every developer with a spare farm plot wants in on the action. Most are completely inappropriate.
I hate AI too but nothing this person is saying rings untrue to me. Even the article admits that data centers continue to be built, albeit slower. I know we all want the bubble to pop, but that could still be a ways off.
lmao, which department do you work in that you’re on lemmy right now? Mail, or maybe food service?
So, HR? I would delete your location, btw. Don’t out yourself.
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
There are more than a dozen datacenters within 30 minutes of my home.
So, many are getting blocked and the AI bubble is going to pop in the next few years. Right now, this is where we stand. Notice, most are getting built where there is a lack of cool weather and water. Many states are starting to fight them because of this.
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
If we are not going to have honest discussion, why participate? Lemmy should be better.
- 13 days
So a post making claims against all visible evidence with no proof for any of it is “honest discussion”?
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
You ask “why believe me?” I ask " why take you seriously?" And we get nowhere.
The popular opinion is framed in view of the worst offenders. That gets clicks. My daily experience shows me that:
- one urinal in my building uses more water in a day than the datacenter does in a year.
- our generators run at less than 65 dB at full tilt at a distance of 30 feet. They are only run during utility outages - and monthly tests for 10 minutes.
- we build in corporate parks and remote sites with surplus power.
- the power substation we paid for and built delivers 20 MW back to the community. We added capacity to the local area on our dime.
However, others are not like us. Musk runs gas turbines for primary power. MS uses open- loop cooling. They get the headlines. We don’t. Our business is based on responsible behavior. But we get painted with the same brush.
- 13 days
Ok, even assuming all that is true (just saying it doesnt make it so) none of it has anything to do with the inherent unprofitability of AI. Anthropic alone is reporting an $80 billion loss for the year. Last I heard the industry as a whole needs to make a few trillion dollars just to break even. Regardless of how efficient or not your particular data center may be, it’s not going to fill that gap.
- Xaphanos@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
Agreed. Oai, Anthro, etc don’t necessarily have paths forward. But a LOT of folks want their hands on the results. Perhaps real open sw will rise to put them under and no one will need to pay for the models. But they will have to pay for the hardware to run it. And that’s pricey. And we get paid up front.
Yeah, Google just destroyed 815 acres of forest for a new data centre in Finland without permission. It hasn’t gone down well.
Especially not with Finns. They like their forest, about 3/4 of the population goes and disappears into the forest during summer holidays.
And then, they are also quite strict on The Rules Being Followed To Maintain Polite Society, so a corporation both destroying forest and breaking The Rules, well, that’s not gonna end well.
Do they also have those lovely cabins you can rent everywhere, like in Norway? You’d never see my ass (except for work) if I lived there.
- baldingpudenda@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
Every week I learn something about the nords that I like. I need to look at work visa options.
- RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zipEnglish13 days
Petteri Orpo, said attracting investment was a “top priority” and “the value of the data economy extends far beyond direct investment”.
X doubt.
They probably gave them deals on electricity too. The Fins are getting nothing in return. Wow.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
The Finnish government sold them that land. They knew exactly what Google was going to do with it.
- GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
doesn’t matter. there are laws that must be followed. they broke the law, openly, and someone found out and told people. now the politicians that sold the land have piss on their face and have to do something about it or risk being replaced.
One thing I noticed while voting in the mid terms is how being anti data center is fairly bi-partisan even for maga dick bags.
And yet Republican candidates and sitting legislators are pushing hard for them. They really don’t seem to be reading the room well.
We’re seeing the same thing in Canada, too. The typical alignment between corporations and the right wing seems to not be serving them well this time around…
- sbbq@lemmy.zipEnglish13 days
They’re reading the room just right, you just don’t get who’s in it. They’re doing what they’re told by their tech masters.
I get that but they also need to be elected unless their goal is to pad their pockets as quickly as possible, now, before they get kicked out of office (which, hey, for some, certainly possible).
Personally, I suspect they’re so deep in their own bubbles, and so used to a mindless right wing base that will vote for them no matter what, that they don’t see what’s going on.
- Obviouslywrong@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
The, we’re going to spend 10 trillion dollars on new data centers and they will use all the water and power messaging for stock pumping while people see costs increasing and rising water and power bills was a pretty direct and understandable message. Remarkably fast turnaround though ,it shows how most concepts are ossified while this was genuinely new and people were willing to change their minds on it.
- RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
If you have an outlook or gmail, start migrating off those email services now, before microslop and google evaporate.
It’s gonna happen fast when it happens.
- Reality@feddit.orgEnglish12 days
Google and Microsoft are profitable without ai. So I’d assume the bubble popping will not crash them
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
And they’d probably get bailed out at our expense: too big to face consequences.
- Reality@feddit.orgEnglish12 days
They don’t pay that much tax to where I am from, so if the US wants to do so, have fun.
- Reality@feddit.orgEnglish12 days
Yes, but I don’t see floods of users switching to better privacy options any time soon
- 12 days
I know I should be. It’s a time issue. My gmail address is linked with my entire fuckin life. I guess that’s how they trap you…
- mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
I had a similar issue when I migrated. The thing that worked for me was migrating one account to my new email per day. It makes the whole thing super non intimidating.
I do have a tip for you if you’re migrating anyways. Buy your own domain and use it for your email. That way you’ll never be trapped again.
- 12 days
I’ve never even considered buying my own domain. Would you - or anyone - mind explaining how that works for email? I’m kinda half tech literate. I’m at the level of someone who has Linux on their laptop but has to look up stuff every time they use the console!
But yeah, I’ve been meaning to migrate for years now. Your idea of one account a day makes it seem doable, thanks.
- mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Basicly you buy the domain that you like. Cloudflare sells them at cost. Porkbun has a huge verierty to choose from. After you buy the domain you will have a control panel where you can configure “where” the domain points to.
After you find an email provider that supports custom domains and sign up they will provide you with where to point the MX (email part of the domain) record. Typically some site they control.
In the control panel you point your domain MX records at the address they provide and you can start receiving email at the email of your choice.
After you confirm you can receive email you should then add stuff to your dns control panel like DKIM and SPF so your email won’t be marked as spam. The email provider will give you specific strings to copy paste.
If the email provider starts misbehaving or you just want to switch it’s just a matter of signing up somewhere else and re pointing the domain MX records while you keep the same email. It’s a little more complicated but I means you truly own your email. That and it will typically cost a little bit of money.
- 12 days
Thanks. Saving this comment. Don’t understand it all but can research. Might give it a try. Cheers
Sadly need to keep one of those as a back up. I use proton as my main, but I’ve gotten a ton of feedback during my current job hunt that my email is going to spam, so I’ve had to send emails using my outlook backup.
I hate this world
- 12 days
Exactly, they are too big to fail like the banks at this point. They provide too many essential services people need.
- Reality@feddit.orgEnglish11 days
Quite possible, but my bet is that they will buy the winners, just like after dotcom
- Scrollone@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
Not crash them, but they’ll probably need to make Gmail/Outlook into a paid service in order to cover all the costs.
Google Ads is slowly dying, because people just ask AI instead of searching and navigating websites, and that was Google’s biggest revenue.
- Reality@feddit.orgEnglish12 days
I don’t see how Google would willingly get rid of the goodwill and data of normal users like that. Most people don’t know about the sheer site of Googles ad revenue. Also, Google will be the player that shows ads in Google answers, so the moat for ads will become bigger instead of smaller in my mind. Do you have a source on Google ads dying? Last I heard was that it was very profitable for alphabet.
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
I don’t see how Google would willingly get rid of the goodwill and data of normal users like that.
They don’t give a monkey’s fruity fart about goodwill. They’re rent-seeking oligopolists. They’ll squeeze their users as hard as they think they can get away with.
- Scrollone@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
Exactly, they don’t care about users, they just care about money.
Examples? See what they’re doing with Gemini. Even Pro (paying) users will be downgraded to Gemini Flash in less than one month.
- Poach@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Eh, probably they will be labeled “too big to fail” and the US government will go into even more money printing to keep them afloat. Making inflation even worse than it is.
- J92@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
I’m not knowledgeable enough to know what the ramifications of Alphabet’s collapse would bring about. I can only imagine good things, though I know Firefox is propped up by them.
- anewfox@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
well for one, how are you going to recover accounts using your gmail if gmail simply doesn’t exist anymore?
answer: you don’t.
It wouldn’t collapse per se. It would get sold to the next biggest bidder. You’d end up with the likes of Amazon, Microsoft or Musk or something.
- Obviouslywrong@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
What? No. This is ai data centers new build. Nothing about that would melt their current regular servers.
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish12 days
That money has to come from somewhere. Ultimately the debt service will hit their opex.
- Obviouslywrong@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
There’s no scenario in which building data centers will make the company stop existing, they can just sell or rent what ai data centers they have and exit the business worst case.
- 12 days
The current regular servers proved capabilities that hyperscalers are selling at a drastic loss, most of which can be done with a build run on your PC.
in order for hyperscale AI to break even, it has to make $6 trillion a year. The ambition was to replace most of the skilled workforce with something cheaper or more productive. (And that also means pushing most of society into ghettos and reservations.)
The other interest was government projects, such as commanding drone armies and processing surveillance data.
Six trillion is an awful lot, and its looking unlikely there’s that much business to go around.
- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish12 days
Meh, if it happens to large swathes of Gmail users, and I lose everything in that account, I’d be ok with it. Like who fucking cares, honestly?
Not only would it give me a reason to leave all that bullshit behind forever, since I wasn’t the only one, I’d have a legitimate excuse if I actually lose anything irreplaceable.
- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish12 days
Like who fucking cares, honestly?
Anyone who has a little sense of self responsibility?
even if you don’t care at all about any of your emails in your inbox, all the places you registered an account won’t care at all that you lost your email account. even if they cared, they have no way to verify you actually owned the account you claim to.
- ragas@lemmy.mlEnglish12 days
Don’t worry, Google is still just investing barely more than what they have too much quarter over quarter.
- 13 days
Uhh, they never were. Politicians were creaming over them because they’re basically funneling taxpayer money back to campaigns.
- lntl@lemmy.mlEnglish11 days
These companies are “too big to fail.” Just like last time, when the bottom drops out on these bad investments the debt will be socialized.
- 11 days
My theory is they want the democrats to win so they can come hat in hand to congress and ask for bailouts for this totally not essential and speculative industry.
- 11 days
I’m not quite following, why would the Democrats winning make it easier for the AI companies to ask for bailouts? Genuine question.
- 10 days
Not necessarily easier, but it allows Republicans to be against the bail outs which will be unpopular so they can try to swing back and grab power again then continue not regulating anything. They don’t want the electorate to get the idea that the socialism can work for anyone but corporate America. Basically, why take the political heat for something unpopular when you know your political opponent will always do the right thing and you can criticize it for free.
- 12 days
That people were dropping their shorts i the first place is a bad sign.
The ubiquity of NSAs signed by government officials shows the entrenched degree of corruption. The companies and officials alike should be charged with crimes.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish11 days
also the fact that the ai chips wont be operational until a few years later, by then the AI models are all outdated.
- NuanceDemon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish11 days
Its not a monolith, older models are still useful because they’re less intensive and so more efficient for certain tasks. Those older models will likely still run fine on outdated hardware.
A lot of people imagine hardware that has been outdated as immediate e-waste. It sounds stupid because it would be stupid.
- ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish11 days
A lot of people saw what happened (And is happening) with Crypto mining. How long before dedicated ASICs for models start popping up? Those ASICs are retired generally after ~6 months now, and end up costing more than the mining would generate.
So, tons of ewaste, just from crypto companies.
- SnarkoPolo@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
American taxpayers will foot the bill for the bailout. And AI will know if you’re unhappy about it.
