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- noride@lemmy.zipEnglish21 days
This feels like a trap. Anyone confirm it doesn’t just drain your crypto wallets?
- 21 days
Can’t drain a crypto wallet if you don’t have one in the first place.
- 21 days
I’ve never heard of a virus or malware from a FitGirl package.
20 daysOkay but did they vibe coded this port by themselves or did they even check the code base for this? This is different from repackaging a legit game with a crack. Like a crypto miner could be hidden inside the code base that even a virus scanner might not even find. Since then there is a good chance the compiled binary won’t show any patterns that match with known malware.
- Psythik@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
Why do you have such little faith in the scene? Anytime a torrent contains something nasty in it, the community lets everyone know about it almost immediately. I’ve been downloading cracks, hacks, keygens, and repacks since the 90s, and I’ve never had an issue with a virus/trojan/crypto miner/etc. Use common sense and you have nothing to worry about.
- TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zipEnglish20 days
If it drains crypto wallet I can’t confirm but the game runs at 100fps on my PC
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- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish21 days
cuck
Meaning, they code anything they want while you can’t and just stand aside and look?
EDIT: Perfect
- Mangoholic@lemmy.mlEnglish21 days
And thats why you either do a vibecoded project or you do a regular project. You will not feel any loss if the vibecode gets ripped off. So don’t mix the two.
Good meme, just doesn’t fit this specific scenario perfectly.
But that’s kind of the point, isn’t it? The code cuck forfeits authorship.
- Railcar8095@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
They did nothing aside from the instructions. So their project is setting the agent, not the result of the agent.
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish21 days
So when I use Photoshop that’s filled with AI tools or After Effects with AI 3D tracking to accelerate my project, it’s not my project because the work was made easier because of modern tools?
It’s a yes or no question.
- Railcar8095@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
It’s a false equivalence, and so clear I can’t believe you don’t know it.
- RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zipEnglish21 days
Prompting an AI agent is not the same as using photoshop. It is more comparable to commissioning something (art, code, writing, etc). You don’t have authorship, the LLM does in this case. That doesn’t mean you can’t own the piece that gets created, that’s what commissioning is, you just can’t claim you authored it. Though whether you or the company that runs the model owns the output is still not a settled question legally speaking.
No, this is pretty settled. Generative outputs such as these are not owned by anyone. As you said, the AI “authored” it similarly to a commissioned work and cannot hold a copyright so there was nothing to assign to the prompt writer.
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish20 days
Last I checked, AI creations cannot be copyrighted if human work was not involved (no human - no copyrights). This means that if you had to do something by yourself, even compiling, then there was human. While for AI generated images it’s quite clear you will not own it, but software tends to be more advanced, ChatGPT doesn’t just send you an exe file, you have to put it together by yourself.
- ParkedInReverse@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
Honest question to help me identify with all the constant ‘new decomp!’ spam - How can you tell on this one?
- 21 days
Check the github linked in the post, (nearly?) every commit is “coauthored” by Claude.
- ParkedInReverse@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
Thanks! That site never feels user friendly. TIL - I could just click on commits.
- atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish21 days
The same reason people use Discord for their software comms, devs are notoriously lazy.
Because it’s free hosting, and if you use it for code, you already have your project on there.
Part of the issue is that doing anything more involved requires the developer to now put work into setting up another solution, and usually the developer wants to work on the project, not on making a website or launcher for the project.
Also worth noting is the typical Linux ideology, where the developer isn’t in charge of getting software to users, they’re expected to set the project up so it compiles consistently, and the distribution maintainers are then expected to package it for their distro.
- 21 days
True, but for new dev onboarding and general use (especially with the rise of Linux) it SHOULD be more user friendly. Ive been saying this for years.
- dgdft@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
Literally all the modern recompilations are AI-driven.
There are various levels of involvement of human actors in the loop, but if you don’t want to use any AI project, just ignore them all.
- ParkedInReverse@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
My largest gripe is they all feel like they’re just tossed out there en mass like a speedrun and lord only knows if they’d have any post support.
This is my major gripe with any new tool that makes life easier. It enables even more lazy people to do something and you won’t know if you’re the victim of someone else’s laaziness until it’s too late.
I feel like there are two things
- People with limited knowledge using AI to achieve things that they personally aren’t able to do
- People with knowledge using AI to achieve things human brains can’t do
I’m not smart enough to know which one of these actually applies in this situation, but I feel that they are distinctly different and justify a use case. My layman understanding is reverse engineering software like this is completely not feasible with just sheer human willpower
If you are informed on this subject please enlighten me which of these apply if any
- dawa@programming.devEnglish19 days
This would likely have been a multi-year effort if done manually by experts on hobby time, and impossible if the person using AI didn’t know what they were doing.
The LLM would have gotten stuck for sure without proper guidance.
- brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
I’m sorry but this increasingly an “old man yells at cloud” take. This is not going away, and will just get more common.
- Exatron@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
It’s not an “old man yells at cloud” take at all, sweetie. It’s just the truth. Your overgrown autocomplete isn’t a substitute for actual knowledge and skill.
Well it kinda is because nobody else managed to get this running on PC in all those years before AI.
- 19 days
got us an actual ps4 emulator that documents and studies console behavior and works
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish21 days
Sure but if it works it works right?
Edit: don’t really get the hate. No, I don’t like AI and all the bullshit with datacenters and the corporations either, but I find myself ok with this. It’s not like it’s stealing jobs in this case. And if you just wanted to play it locally offline, I’m not terribly worried in and sort of security respects either. Just sandbox it. At least I can play it without buying a ps4 or 5…
- jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish21 days
Sure but if it works it works right?
Verifying that software does the intended task and only the intended task is not trivial.
- 21 days
Ok but this project is open source. Anyone can go through the code to check for whatever they want. Sure, it might take a while, but it’s still publicly readable. For a game as high profile as Bloodborne is, its pretty unlikely that there isn’t about a hundred people combing through this one with a fine-tooth comb right now.
You’d have to be pretty stupid to try to sneak malware into open source code, have it hosted on GitHub, and push it live, like, you’re definitely getting caught by someone if you try that, right? I mean, I think I remember hearing that it happened a few times before, but I also remember that it was caught pretty quickly and corrected. Don’t remember if there was law enforcement involved or anything though.
- jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish21 days
Anyone can go through the code. And maybe find things, if they’re not too subtle and not successfully obfuscated. But not everyone will.
I feel like a malicious actor could hit a big pay day with a popular thing like Bloodborne, before people found the malice. There’s plenty of malware posing as game cracks out there, and it’s only easier to do that with AI tooling.
But aside from that, AI code can have confidentially incorrect code that has unwanted consequences.
Code review is difficult.
- SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish21 days
That’s totally a thing people do. You can hide code in open source projects. You’re either hoping nobody cares enough to check, or you hope people don’t listen after someone checks and finds it. And even if people do find it, that is going to take some amount of time. During which, people are downloading it. And when caught, what do they lose? It’s not like this is an established user with a reputation.
- teawrecks@sopuli.xyzEnglish21 days
It could be a virus.
Even if the people who made it didn’t intend to, an AI writing a bunch of code that (obviously) isn’t being vetted beyond “does it run” could very feasibly inject a backdoor/virus of some kind surreptitiously, just because it erroneously thought that was the goal at some point during generation.
This is why open weight models are not good enough. The AI could have been trained to take the right, niche opportunity to inject malicious code, and is also trained to otherwise never behave like that is the case.
- RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zipEnglish21 days
It’s even worse than that.
Remember how the OpenAI/HuggingFace hack happened. The agents context poisoned other agents by leaving messages in a shared package manager. This has now happened multiple different times under different contexts.
This thing doesn’t even have to have malware, there’s no telling that it doesn’t have a poison pill intended to flag other agents. This isn’t even some paranoid conspiracy theory; it literally already happened, multiple times, and it was done in-spite of the agents own system prompt.
This software has proven that, given a shared information substrate, it has the capacity to paper-clip optimize into prompt injecting other LLM’s.
I fundamentally do not trust AI generated code. I shifted to OpenBSD because of it. I try my best to prevent AI in any of my software and sandbox anything that may have been compromised.
- story@lemmy.zipEnglish19 days
are you on the openbsd mailing list? the reason their code is better has a lot less to to with a lack of AI-generated code and a lot more to do with rigor. I’ve been watching them for a while now, they accept whatever code is coincise that meets their exacting standards
They don’t have the ability to detect if you’re using AI to code, no one does. they only know if you’re vibe coding, because they are incredibly experienced and intelligent, and they are pretty polite at the people who obviously are, more polite than i would be.
- RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zipEnglish19 days
It’s correct that, at this point, I cannot 100% guarantee that code in the kernel did not pass through an LLM. However, having a policy that prohibits AI generated content, in an already pretty niche project, gives me reasonable assurance that every line of code passed through a human brain at some point, preferably several times.
I would much prefer to live in a world where I had a 100% guarantee that no LLM even saw the code being written but that’s life I suppose.
- 21 days
I mean, certain free copies of games have historically always included the risk of viruses, so what’s your point?
- 20 days
What difference does it make? Malware is malware, regardless of how or why it got there. And unofficial copies/releases of software are always prime targets.
- jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish21 days
Along the same lines as the other guy said.
It’s difficult to verify that the software does the desired thing in all cases. It’s also difficult to verify that it’s not also a keylogger or other unwanted thing.
It may also have some AI generated code path that, say, nukes your home directory because the AI determined that was the appropriate error handling. Maybe no one reviewed it so they don’t even know it’s there. It might not even be malicious.
That’s all true of any software, but rapidly created AI generated code for legally dubious efforts, by unknown agents (no pun intended) is real hecking risky.
We have a known compiled output. Simply make sure the decom recompiles to the original game with identical binary, then it can’t be that wrong.
And from there you port it to pc by hand. Auditing the patches for the porting also should be manageable.Reproducible builds are hard to do and require thought being put in the original build. Even something like setting the time and date string to a different one will produce a different binary, so to get all the variables that went into the original compilation just right to be able to land on the same binary from the same code sounds very impractical. Imagine using that as a strategy to check another version of the whole source code…
I’ve recently seen a suite that has a ready made setup to compare sections of asm to the original.
Perfectly matching the full game or even binary isn’t necessary, when you already split the original apart into finer chunks, since you want some better feedback on exactly what sections are wrong.For a basic example though, if you compile to an elf for example you can take out the code section and there’ll be no metadata. Actually gcc already builds reproducibly by default, even with the metadata section. It doesn’t add any timestamps nor version info.
Because nobody can know what’s in there. It could have any number of viruses or trojans or miners and no one would know.
- MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
With open source decompilations before AI, considering there are often a dozen collaborators working on the project publicly with their work done out in the open I can generally trust that multiple people went over most changes made to the project. With a vibe coded project, it’s easy for one person to push 500,000 lines of changed code with a single update that would make the review process impractical at best.
I’d rather trust the dozen people who’ve been working on a project over 5 years than someone who got a Claude subscription, hammered out something in 2 weeks, got it working well enough for their own satisfaction, then abandons the project.
Same as with any other emulator (or really any other OSS-project on the git forges)?
Yes, with intent, hence community vetting and reputation. Intent is irrelevant with slopcode so it’ll need to be examined line by line by a shit load of trusted people before anyone that isn’t an idiot will run that shit.
- ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
People are saying “who cares”, until they go to a KFC in the USA, and the chicken is pink on the inside. I think the same about vibe coding.
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish19 days
We are talking about a videogame that the publisher won’t release on PC. Not food.
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish19 days
At this point I’ll never own a ps4 or 5 JUST TO PLAY A SINGLE GAME. That’s ridiculous.
I don’t like AI as much as the next person but if it lets me at least play it I’m going to play it. You tout quality but I’m sure neither if us have even played it. So who’s to say it’s totso trash quality?
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish19 days
The performance of native vs emulated can be quite substantial. As far as I’m aware, the emulation for this game has also improved quite a bit. Anyways, I don’t really know what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s a vibe coded port that lets you play natively on PC. It’s a game, it’s not going to give you cancer, just take the proper precautions and you’re fine.
- makeshift0546@lemmy.todayEnglish21 days
- very_well_lost@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
I use Claude every day for work. I’m not touching this project with a ten foot rifle spear.
- ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zipEnglish21 days
Stabbing things inside the range of your rifle, I would guess.
- very_well_lost@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
Software engineering and because it’s basically impossible to find a job in tech that doesn’t require it now. I wouldn’t use it if I had a choice.
- ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
The mandatory AI usage makes me wanna become an electrician instead.
- 21 days
“Have you ever ate poison?” No, but i can tell its poison by the way people are being poisoned.
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(Its been around, non AI coded, at 60fps for at least a year so far through ShadPS4)
- Rawrosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish20 days
Looking at the bloodborne PC repo though, the comments suggests the network code is a port of ShadPS4 code.
- popcar2@piefed.caEnglish21 days
Only if you have a beast of a PC. From what I’ve seen these ports run significantly better and come prepackaged with many fixes to shadps4 issues like vertex explosions.
- SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish21 days
It didn’t need a beast, exactly, just a decent rig. I never could fix the vertex explosions, though, and it was mildly unstable.
- Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish21 days
You do need somewhat of a beast if you want to fix the vertex explosions. To prevent vertex explosions you need to enable readbacks, but those are very performance intensive (and can cause games to be unstable but I lucked out with just getting shit performance). Readbacks took Bloodborne from 1440p ultrawide 60+ fps to 1080p widescreen struggling to hit 60fps in some areas and I tried all sorts of things to even get it running at 60 with readbacks so that sometimes 60 contained all the optimization patches and configurations tweaks, whatever could get me just a bit more performance (none of which I needed when playing 1440p).
- StinkyRedMan@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
When I tried it a couple month back, game was crashing every 5minutes. With a 7800x3d,a 9070 and 32gb of ram. I used to think it’s a decent rig but maybe not.
- SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish20 days
Yeah, but that’s just instability. I imagine you got decent FPS? I tried it further back than you with an R5 3600 and an RX 6600 and I got playable FPS, it just crashed too much.
- jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish21 days
There’s already emulators that run fine. This seems extremely sketchy.
- selokichtli@lemmy.mlEnglish20 days
It’s good to know this alternative mentioned by OP. I don’t play online, and pretty sure that’s not only me.
There’s absolutely no way this is fully playable start to finish without game breaking bugs.
- Thatuserguy@lemmy.worldEnglish21 days
Don’t even know if I’ll play it, but I’ll happily download it just to tell Sony to go fuck themselves 😊
- Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zipEnglish21 days
The author of this repo is brand new and this is their only project. There is very little reputation on the line here for that account. I’m sure it works, but all it takes is for the project to include a single reference to some code somewhere else to end up with malware on your system.
There is very little reputation to go off of with projects like this. So it’s worth being extra cautious.
- 21 days
just ask Claude to check the code first before running it, duh
This message sent from Anthropic Claude
- 777Prawn@sh.itjust.worksEnglish21 days
If anybody is reading this, run it on a sand box & publish a threat hunt. 😎 I’m curious.
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish21 days
If it’s all vibe coded, couldn’t be that hard to make this work in Linux or with proton? I don’t use windows.
- popcar2@piefed.caEnglish21 days
The Linux version is here, you still need to obtain the original game files to play it though.
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish21 days
Fuck yeah, thanks. I was playing this briefly on shad4 or whatever the emulator was on my deck. Ran a bit rough. Can’t wait to try this out!
- psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish21 days
Workaround is installing the game(if need to be installed) with Bottles(preferably in a location you can access), then add it to Steam as a non-steam game, change the compatibility layer to “experimental” or anything, then launch. I did this to the OG GTA:SA just a few days ago, and it works like a charm. You can also try using Bottles to launch it but i haven’t tried it.
I’m too lazy for installing bottles, I just launch the game installer directly with the steam compatibility. One less piece of software to update.
I just tried it a while ago after fucking up somewhere with the installation of bottles because I figured that there was a chance it might work and until now I never had a problem with it. The only annoying thing for me was that I have to remove the installer from steam if I don’t want to clog my list of games with them and that I need to manually make the game’s page look good on steam afterwards. The only thing I miss on linux for gaming is playnite that one at least found the metadata for you.
- 21 days
I usually use Lutris; it automatically uses whatever GE wine version but you can direct it to use whatever Proton version youd like.
- yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish21 days
For sure, same here, but my heads at this was vibe coded to work on windows. It’s bound to have quirks and because if that, I feel it increases the chances of glitches using compatibility layers.
- SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish21 days
Maybe this will force From to bring it to
pcSteam so they can make some money off it? 🤞- Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish21 days
My understanding is that they’ve always wanted to port it to PC since it was an incredibly successful title, but they had licensing issues with Sony thay prevent them from doing so.
In other words, don’t blame From Software, blame the suits at Sony for thinking that keeping Bloodbourne as a console exclusive forever will somehow translate to selling more Playstations.
- chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
Would make a little more sense if it wasn’t still locked to a console they replaced 13 year ago and discontinued entirely 10 years ago.
- Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish20 days
Even though it came out on the PS4, it’s backwards compatible with the PS5. Keeping it exclusive still means that the game can sell a system if someone really wants to play it bad enough.
Of course, that probably accounts for less than 1% of people who purchase a PS5 at this point, but you and I have probably put more thought into this in this one single thread than the entire board of directors at Sony did. To them, games are transactional and old games are not worth bothering with at this point.
- chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
For some reason I was thinking it was PS3, not PS4, which would have had it stuck on the older console.
- leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish20 days
the suits at Sony
Would make a little more sense
See, that’s the problem right there.
Nothing corpo executives do makes sense to rational human beings unless you’re only considering the next quarter, but Sony executives don’t even make sense in that particular case.
They just seem to be trying to bring down the company by making the worst possible decision at any point in time.
FromSoft doesn’t have a say in this. I mean, they’re not making Duskbloods, a new IP, just for funzies, Sony is literally keeping Bloodborne chained up in the basement and won’t allow anyone to touch it.
- ltxrtquq@lemmy.mlEnglish20 days
https://github.com/ayozetr/bloodborne_linux
I saw somewhere else that there’s a linux build for it. I haven’t tried it, but it exists.
- godsammitdam@lemmy.zipEnglish19 days
The battle between those creating AI and it being ethically immoral to use it/support the companies building it by exploiting the public vs using the immoral tool to provide greater access to the public in retaliation to the big evil corporation trying to exploit and extract wealth from the public.
Me:🍿
- daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish19 days
Is this better or worse that the emulation option that already existed?
- BlackLaZoR@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
Potentially much better since emulation has heavy performance penalty
- 19 days
Is this slop? Yes. Am I going to play bloodborne on my pc? Also yes.
