cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/84824
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- 7 days
The Underground Railroad was also illegal. But we obviously celebrate it today.
- Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish7 days
At least when I was a kid in Seattle we were taught about it in very positive (if somewhat sanitized) terms. I’d expect the Confederate states to be less excited about it.
- 7 days
Grew up in Alabama and was taught about the underground railroad in a positive way.
Despite what you hear, it’s not still the 1860s here
- Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish7 days
It’s not that long ago that “the War of Northern Aggression” was a thing, and there’s plenty of people alive that physically fought against the Civil Rights Movement. We aren’t nearly far enough away from slavery for me to give The South the benefit of the doubt.
- 6 days
Despite what you hear, in your own specific town, in your own specific school, you are a sample size of one - You can’t just blanket claim that the American south has meaningfully progressed on behalf of all the fervent majority trump supporting states.
Also, “taught… In a positive way” is an extremely subjective assessment considering both the content itself and your recalling it from long memory. Many of us also thought we had the real version or the “right” version until we tried to actively learn the objective truth.
- 6 days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850
Even before this, slaves were literally considered the property of the slave owner, so yes they considered it illegal to “take away their property”
In America? Yes.
The Nazi’s haven’t won yet, they’re just trying right now.
- 7 days
Maybe visit soon while you still have a chance.
Only partly joking. Wouldn’t surprise me one single bit.
- 7 days
We need more people like Chloe Freeman.
Freeman’s employer did not see it this way. When police questioned her (thus collaborating with ICE), she openly said that she disagreed with ICE separating immigrants from their families. Trinity Health fired Freeman and has refused to make any public statement on the events of May 28. It is criminal that this and other hospital systems allow ICE and CBP agents to enter medical buildings.
The problem is that it’s actually, literally criminal for them to deny entrance to the pigs.
- 7 days
Ohh! I love it when we LARP that we have some sort of legitimate legal / justice system!
We have an enforcement arm for the parasitic pedophile rapist class.
I’m an anarchist, brainlet, I just think it’s embarrassing to try and get mad at the hospital about it.
- 7 days
You’re just flat wrong though - the police do not have the right to enter a hospital beyond the public sections (generally, the waiting rooms) without a warrant or permission from the hospital. The hospital in this case gave the police that permission, and unless a statute exists in Michigan specifically allowing this (if one exists I haven’t found it), they are absolutely at fault for doing so.
Wrong. That’s why the guy got away and she was able to assist him in the first place, specifically because they weren’t barging into operation areas.
- 7 days
My goodness, am I really?
ICE agents accompanied him into the hospital but did not thoroughly guard him at all times. […] Then, Chloe Freeman, a Registered Nurse working her shift, entered the CT room, spoke with O.B.P., and helped him walk through several doors, exit the hospital, and walk out free. He has not been recaptured. (emphasis mine)
Oh - I’m terribly sorry, but you appear to be mistaken. ICE were allowed into the hospital, and as written did not accompany him into the radiology room (since personnel generally do not stand around CT scanners due to the radiation hazard this makes sense). So the hospital does therefore seem to have been at fault for allowing them to accompany the patient - but thank you for looking out for accuracy in comment sections!
- 6 days
I’m confused by the whole “fault” thing. I EMT’d for about a decade, and there were times we had police escorts, and they’d absolutely come all the way in and stay with the patient the whole time. Just my experience, and maybe I’m confused by the point you’re making.
That being said, the hospital is private property. The hospital presumably has an understanding, and it may be written and memorialized in some sort of agreement, that cops are welcome on the property, in the same way just about anyplace that exists in society does. Maybe not a private residence, but anywhere public may go.
- Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish7 days
Pragmatic ones pick their battles instead of chasing martyrdom at the first opportunity.
Yep, and it’s not even about picking battles or rEjEcTiNg aUtHoRiTy it’s about not expecting a fucking hospital to lead the initial charge of the revolution.
Lemmy loves to shitpost about anarchism but I don’t hear about any CEOs getting fragged on a weekly basis yet these lazy fucks think a corporate hospital admin team is supposed to hold the door.
- 7 days
The vast majority of hospitals in the US do not allow police entry without a warrant, safety concern or an emergent situation (or a procedural reason - victim interviews and similar are sometimes done in hospital, as well as supervision of physical evidence collection (or the actual collection itself if the hospital doesn’t have a certified forensic examiner (or legal/jurisdictional equivalent) on staff)), why are you just making stuff up you clearly don’t know about dude?
- 7 days
disagree, its actually literally not criminal. They dont get to just barge onto private property and do whatever they want. They need a warrant. And no one is required to help them in any way. Their mission is their problem, not anyone elses in a private healthcare setting. They can wait in the waiting room with their thumbs up their asses like everyone else.
This is a catholic hospital. Shame on the catholic church for collaborating with fascism. again.
- protist@retrofed.comEnglish7 days
Catholic hospitals have pretty much nothing to do with the church today. They are exclusively businesses, and they pay less taxes because they operate as religious nonprofits.
She is now permanently on the right side of history with women like Irena Sendler, Corrie Ten Boom and many others who resisted nazis to help save people.
Yeah, I just hope she’s not harshly punished for it.
She probably will be. They want people to be too afraid to help each other.
Freeman’s employer did not see it this way. When police questioned her (thus collaborating with ICE), she openly said that she disagreed with ICE separating immigrants from their families. Trinity Health fired Freeman and has refused to make any public statement on the events of May 28.
Questioned by the police? It’s time to shut the fuck up
Good on her though
Yea, you can’t continue to defy them if you tell them you’re doing it.
- 6 days
She is a hero that prevented an attempted kidnapping.
its important we call out the propaganda
- psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish7 days
clear throat
The Freeman has done a good deed, and for that, we salute you.
- 6 days
That’s courage, the magas and ice are cowards. Weak people who hide behind masks and cause suffering in the world. Courage wins over the cowards.
- 7 days
She better be getting the best legal representation possible.
Heroes don’t wear capes. They’re just like all of us, but they one day… They decide to be better.
