Christa Pike unconscious, on a ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say

MicroWave@lemmy.world · 20 hours

Pike survived a lethal injection execution on Wednesday. She was sentenced to death for the 1995 killing of her classmate, Colleen Slemmer.

Christa Pike, the woman who survived an execution attempt in Tennessee earlier this week, is on a ventilator as she receives care in the hospital, her lawyers said in a new statement Friday.

“Christa remains critically ill and is receiving medical care for the devastating effects of Wednesday night’s events,” the lawyers’ statement said. “She is critically ill, unconscious, intubated and receiving breathing assistance through a ventilator.”

The statement said she is being treated for “the serious effects of the pentobarbital administered during the execution attempt, including significant injuries to both arms.”

AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 9 hours

So much for the “christian values” they say to follow. The US is rotten and violence is worshipped so much in the country that this kind of thing is not cause to revolt because she “deserves it”.

You’re not so different from the zionazi state. You’re just more westerner. Christians… shitty hypocrites is what you are. It’s really sad that there is no god nor heaven, you’d all go to hell if that were the case.

And before anyone comes saying bs, no. I’m not defending what this woman did. She deserves prison for what she did. But the way the US “justice” system works is nothing about justice, is plain revenge and slavery. And how interesting is to see them justify the system with their “christian” values…

The world deserves a yellowstone eruption.

deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 19 hours

Maybe don’t execute people then.

If it was wrong for her to do it then it’s wrong for the state to do it.

BougieBirdie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 19 hours

Yeah like, if she recovers what are they going to do, kill her again?

I’m against capital punishment and the way they do it in the US is barbaric. But at this point it would be more humane to pull the plug or hit her with a hammer or something

cattywampas@lemmy.world · 19 hours

This case is going to be in textbooks and history books on the subject of capital punishment in the future.

fonix232@fedia.io · 18 hours

The only time I can agree with the death sentence is if the subject of it has proven to be 1, incorrigible and guaranteed to repeat offend 2, have an offence so vile that they cannot be risked a release into the public, either intentionally or accidentally 3, whose guilt has been established in irrefutable manner.

Think absolute menace serial killer psychos. Child rapists.

Zak@lemmy.world · 18 hours

This comment implies the motivation is to protect the public from particularly dangerous offenders.

Life in prison without the possibility of parole is similarly protective.

fonix232@fedia.io · 18 hours

No it isn’t - see “accidental” (unintentional) release.

jwt@programming.dev · 12 hours

So the incompetence of prisons is what makes you in favor of executing people?

fonix232@fedia.io · 11 hours

No. The possibility of a murderer, who tortures and kills people for fun, escaping and torturing and murdering even more people makes me to consider it for the worst of the worst.

99.999% of all incarcerated can be rehabilitated - sure, some might never understand why it was wrong to kill, but at the very least you can get to a point where they won’t do it again - given the appropriate treatment and effort.

It’s the remaining 0.001% - the once a decade psychopaths, the Dahmers, the Lecters, and so on - whom are not rehabilitable, whom cannot even be in a regular prison, who require isolation and constant watch, who cannot be allowed even the chance of escaping.

Why? Because I value the multitudes of lives of the potential victims over the singular life of someone who clearly doesn’t care about others’.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 15 hours

Think absolute menace serial killer psychos. Child rapists.

Billionaires.

frongt@lemmy.zip · 18 hours

guilt has been established in irrefutable manner

Since this is impossible, I’m firmly against the death penalty.

fonix232@fedia.io · 18 hours

No it isn’t impossible.

Objective, irrefutable evidence exists. Video recordings that clearly show one’s face, with further supporting evidence to ensure its not mistaken identity.

Rothe@piefed.social · 10 hours

Video footage in the age of LLM is completely worthless as evidence.

frongt@lemmy.zip · 18 hours

How do you prove the video hasn’t been tampered with?

fonix232@fedia.io · 17 hours

Forensic analysis can already do that. Yes, even AI tampering can be proven.

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 10 hours

I feels like you’re missing the point. There’s a tons of cases where innocent people get prison time despite no hard proof on them(via coercion or the lack of alibi), then there’s guilty people who hired a gang of lawyers to throw out hard evidence one by one(by finding every minor mistake by the prosecutor). It’s incredibly hard to proof people are beyond reasonable doubt that they should be executed, especially when the guilty can just play innocent.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 15 hours

For now. At this point, it doesn’t matter much if the AI economic bubble collapses, research will continue, potentially at a lesser pace, and could still outpace, even if temporarily, detection methods.

fonix232@fedia.io · 14 hours

Yeah, uh, no.

It might avoid free eye detection (still doesn’t, AI content is still incredibly easy to spot), but FORENSIC analysis is a bit more thorough than that.

Though I really love these kinds of comments. I at least used to work in the field some 15 years ago, so I have some awareness of what’s going on. Meanwhile the group of people here who saw flashy AI demos and two-three episodes of CSI think they know best.

For example, here’s a fun fact: camera sensor pixels aren’t equal. Even on the same sensor, there’s a subtle level of difference in sensitivity between pixels, pixel blocks, and so on. The built in ISP also has its own unique signature. Hell, there’s even a unique signature in the variations of the variance between key frames! All of which can be extracted - much like a hash - but would take immense computational power (we’re talking quantum computing levels, since it IS essentially reversing a hash or cryptographic key) to properly break.

This kind of fingerprinting alone could verify if a video was tampered with nor not. There’s been whitepapers about this kind of verification since at least 2012. Yet I bet none of you who oh so confidently downvote, knew about it.

frongt@lemmy.zip · 15 hours

How?

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 15 hours

“trust me bro”

fonix232@fedia.io · 15 hours

Ask a forensic analyst? I am not one so my knowledge of it is cursory at best.

However recent hardware now includes hardware level attestation in the image files that cannot be reproduced, so validity of video and photo evidence can NOW be established easily. If the signature is there, easy, the video wasn’t manipulated. If it is missing, the evidence is no longer attested, therefore questionable.

cattywampas@lemmy.world · 18 hours

Where is the line between “objective and irrefutable” and “room for reasonable doubt”?

fonix232@fedia.io · 17 hours

Where is it today?

If there’s no contradictory evidence, then there’s no room for doubt. At that point it is up to the jury to make the decision - including if the death penalty should be applied, if the person truly poses a danger to society justifying their death.

Again, in my opinion, the death penalty is 99% antiquated. The only time it is ever justified if the person’s existence in itself poses a threat to the public. A simple murder, no matter how grievous, like this case, is definitely not death penalty worthy. The likes of John Wayne Gacy, or Jeffrey Dahmer. Of whom there’s maybe one every decade or so.

Corvidae@lemmy.world · 14 hours

Who is paying for all this care? The attempted execution seemed like cruel and unusual punishment. I’m not in favor of execution, but if you’re gonna do it, do it quickly and efficiently, as humanely as possible. We euthanize small animals all the time. Is this what they go through?

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 10 hours

The most humane way is probably the most gruesome way, which is beheading. Every other “humane” execution contains suffering for a bit, while beheading immediately overwhelm your brain with signals and you’re very unlikely to feel pain. The other way is by hanging, which will likely snap your neck once you drop down and overwhelm your brain with signals, but the risk is if the rope doesn’t adjusted to the right height you’re gonna hurt your neck while suffocating.

So get your guillotine now.

ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 14 hours

Most pharmaceutical companies won’t sell the state the drugs used to properly kill someone. Rather than stop executing people, the state tries to make do with whatever they can get their hands on.

SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 14 hours

Why not just buy fentanyl in bulk from China and give them a hot shot?

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 10 hours

Why not just buy fentanyl in bulk from ~~China~~ Mexico and Canada and give them a hot shot?

ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 13 hours

I believe there are all sorts of restrictions on what sources they are allowed to buy from. This is also supposed to be “punishment” so they don’t want the prisoner to feel good before they die.

diablicja@lemmy.zip · 9 hours

I had fentanyl administered by a professional once and I didn’t feel good, I just lost consciousness within some three seconds. Probably the matter of right dose.

On the other hand, death penalty supporters probably wouldn’t want to take chances with the three seconds window.

lemonhead2@lemmy.world · 19 hours

so what’s the plan? nurse her back to health (long painful recovery) and then execute her after another 10 to 15 years?

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 15 hours

They’re also freely giving her better medical attention and coverage than an abhorrent percentage of the rest of the population. They’re giving her care that an insurance company would do their damndest to deny, and as soon as she’s conscious, they’ll try to kill her again.

The state is probably pissy though because now they have to do paperwork to get another death warrant signed.

sepi@piefed.social · 13 hours

mission accomplished? :(

cattywampas@lemmy.world · 19 hours

What an unnecessary fiasco.

stephen@lazysoci.al · 18 hours

How is it that these United States, which kills loads of people through military, police, and imperialism, and for profit healcare, but mess up killing one woman who doesn’t have the ability to resist her own death?

Zahille7@lemmy.world · 15 hours

Because - and I can’t stress this enough - there is a severe case of “I really don’t give a shit” that permeates literally every professional role in the US. From fast food to federal government, there are way way too many people who just literally do not give a shit.

It’s compounded in the bureaucratic jobs because those are the people the rest of us rely on to get the proper information to the people who need it (i.e. medical records to a doctor, passing info from one party to another), and entirely too often is there literally always something missing that would have taken all of 5 seconds worth of extremely little effort to make sure everything was correct.

It’s honestly astounding just how little everyone seems to care bout anything that isn’t directly involving themselves or someone they know personally.

searabbit@piefed.social · 14 hours

I think it’s because we’re all beaten down into not caring. In the US, every job is designed to extract as much labor for as little compensation as possible. Therefore, the more you go above and beyond in your job, effectively the less you get out of it. If you refuse to stop caring, you just get burnt out and replaced like a piece of broken equipment.

Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca · 17 hours

US has a long history of losing wars too so not that surprising.

someguy3@lemmy.world · 17 hours

So if she’s revived, will she have brain damage?

fistac0rpse@fedia.io · 17 hours

serious question, who gets sent the medical bills? does it go to her or her estate?

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 15 hours

The state pays for it. She has no estate.

SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 13 hours

The state should pay all medical bills.

GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca · 12 hours

How broken does a system have to be where the state will pay for healthcare to this level so they can fetishize the death of a criminal, yet the average citizen has to consider whether they can afford to not die?

Ariselas@piefed.ca · 19 hours

Still more humane than how she murdered Colleen Slemmer.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 9 hours

i dunno, i’ve been thinking about this the last couple days. i think i’d rather go the way Colleen Slemmer did than spend 30 years in solitary confinement before being strapped to a gurney in front of an audience and being severely chemically burned and possibly brain damaged with the threat of it happening again

cattywampas@lemmy.world · 19 hours

While I still maintain a stance of being against all capital punishment, I’m not gonna lie, it’s hard to have sympathy when you read the details of a case like this.

wjrii@lemmy.world · 13 hours

While my sympathy for any given individual on death row is limited, it just feels yucky to be down in the mud lingering on how much someone who’s already in prison needs to get MORE punishment and die at our collective hands. Individuals feel what they feel, but it rots the soul of a community to fetishize revenge like that, even more so to profess some sort of satisfaction that it’s as painful as possible.

Herbal Gamer@sh.itjust.works · 20 hours

Maybe just pull the plug then?

Christa Pike unconscious, on a ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say

Christa Pike unconscious and on a ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say