I’m sorry, I’m not often someone to whine about Firefox UI. Usually their changes have been for good actually. BUT! But but but. Proper UI design would require AI features to be disabled if the toggle is disabled. This is both highly silly and very confusing.
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- gezginorman@lemmy.mlEnglish25 minutes
i think you just blocked things you already blocked. that button is for blocking all at once, as per their statement
- glibg10b@lemmy.zipEnglish6 hours
This is just my opinion, but I think it’s reasonable to require your user to go to the settings if they want to remove a context menu item.
In fact, I think they’re going above and beyond here. Most people never use “Inspect Accessibility Properties”, yet they added it here with no option to remove it, and yet no one’s complaining.
I think the cause of this outrage is people reading too much into Firefox’s AI features. Firefox doesn’t bundle an LLM or make requests without your permission. It doesn’t put AI overviews on your pages. It didn’t remove existing functionality to make room for the new buttons. And it doesn’t shove any of the features into your face. It’s just a context menu item that opens a website in the sidebar if you choose to click on it.
- tomi000@lemmy.worldEnglish36 minutes
I think thats not what OP is mildly infuriated about though. If I understood correctly its that you have to enable the setting “disable AI” instead of having a setting “use AI” (possibly enabled by default), which you would disable. Its just counterintuitive semantics
- 43 minutes
If it’s not an opt-IN feature, then it’s malicious, anti-consumer design. Full stop.
The lengths people will go to defend Mozilla are astounding. If Chrome did this, you’d be throwing a fit.
5 hoursAlso, why does it say “blocked” instead of “disabled”? This kinda leads me to imply that their AI features are spyware
- remon@ani.socialEnglish4 hours
When they first announced this they called it the “AI kill switch”, so they already toned it down.
- 47 minutes
The fact that they announced that instead of an “AI ON switch” tells you where Mozilla’s interests lie these days.
- 9 hours
If you refer to a traffic light as a “stop” light then you can interpret red as “do not stop”.
- ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish13 hours
On device translation is amazing and exactly what this software should be approved for, I think it’s good that they let you pick this separately. I don’t care for surrendering my cognitive functions to an advertising panopticon machine, but translating pages without letting Google know what sites I’m looking at? Yes please
- MBM@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
Especially since Google translate is just a front for Gemini these days (and not in an “LLMs were made for translating” way, you can literally prompt inject it)
- SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish12 hours
Agreed. It’s the only one I leave turned on and use rarely. I do appreciate that it runs locally.
- h0pfries@lemmy.todayEnglish16 hours
I don’t see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it’s doing. Do you also have a problem with the “enabling” of your ad blocker “disabling” the ads? There’s nothing “dark pattern” about this at all.
- TheFogan@programming.devEnglish15 hours
I could see that, but I think the key difference.
Adblocker is an active block of something from outside.
AI block is telling firefox not to use any of it’s own.
Kind of a do this, versus don’t.
“Do protect me from attackers.”
“Don’t attack me”
- hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish9 hours
Hehe. 47 people here think “enabling the disable-ation of ads” is clear language?! I’d like browsers / distributions include uBlock per default so there’s less spying. And if you want to enable all the ads and trackers, you’d go to the top right and press uBlock’s power button (to turn uBlock off - and ads on). I think that’s a clear and straightforward UX. At least that’s how I set up Linux computers and nobody ever complained 😄.
I mean it surely is a dark pattern to trick people into giving away their personal data to all those companies? Most of the users aren’t even aware. And their consent is fabricated by making this backwards?!
- 12 hours
What exactly is this disabling? Firefox’s built-in AI tools? Or is it disabling AI tools on websites you visit? Because “blocking” seems like a very misleading term to be using if it’s an internal presence being turned off. We typically only “block” remote things we know to be harmful to our experience, like harassing users on internet platforms or websites known to contain malware.
This is honestly some selfawarewolves shit at this point, Mozilla.
- klankin@piefed.caEnglish3 hours
Blocks the news too, because they know its all ads so they built in the adblocker
Yes but I would argue that its function is properly described. I mean, it says what it does and if you want you can enable what it actually says.
- 13 hours
As someone who has gone through Windows group policy, the amount of weird policies and regedits we have to do to disable AI, recall, anayltics, etc. it’s insane and the process flip flops with tricky wording. Enabling something here and disabling stuff somewhere else, it gets annoying
- njordomir@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
Some dynamic text under the toggle that reads “AI Anti-Feature ‘X’ is on/off” could ensure absolute double-certain clarity.
- Khanzarate@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
There is in fact a “what these options mean” at the bottom of the page that does that.
- Doodle69420@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
Pushing the opt out responsibility on the user is why I left Windows and never looked back. I recommend Waterfox which I started using a couple months back when Firefox started going in this direction. Waterfox is great on desktop and Android (which I’ll hopefully shed soon too when my current phone stops working).
- bertlewirth@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
I moved to librewolf a few days ago. Got sick of Mozilla fucking with shit. Yes, I’m aware librewolf is Firefox underneath.
Anything is better than using yet another Chromium wrapper and pretending to use a real alternative to Chrome 😀
its a kill switch to disable everything otherwise you can enable or disable the things you don’t want
It’s functionally a killswitch, yes, but it’s presented as a confusing mess. Enabling a disabling is still silly no matter what.
- GalacticRobot@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
You and your post makes no sense. You have to enable ad blocking, so why wouldn’t you enable ai blocking? It’s even well explained in the screenshot and blocked by default.
- _stranger_@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
the ai stuff is disabled by default, you toggle it to enable it, this isn’t rocket surgery.
