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27 minutesI’m not surprised that a tankie would try telling a person who lives in Vietnam that he knows more about socialism than him.
Just completely detached from reality, and they’ll make it your problem if you know better than they do
- AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
Ah yes, the classic “everyone has been lying to you your whole life, except me, im the one who’s telling you the REAL truth.”
- AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish4 hours
“The term was invented by nazis, to criticise the soviet union crushing a nazi uprising with tanks” Suck my dick for real, the term was invented after the people of hungary(including much of my family from my mothers side) rose up against the “communist” dictators controlling the nation and wanted to install socialism as opposed to “communism”. The response of the soviet union, after the soviet soldiers stationed in hungary sided with the hungarians, was to send in new soldiers from russia and sorrounding countries and indiscriminately mow down people on the streets of budapest. After this there was an argument in the uk communist party about whether the communist movement was more important or anti-imperialism. Tankies got named tankies because they support killing innocent people in the name of russia. Theyre nazis but without the the fascist ideology. Also theyre not economically left, they supported the ussr and china today both countries that prioritise the authoritarian part of their government way before anything even close to communism and they literally supressed socialists in 56. Also anyone trying to tell you anything about how it was a cia operation, let me list a few minor inconsistencies:
-The revolutionaries tried to contact the usa and western nations for help but they never responded. This caused hungarians to have a very sour opinion both about the west and east as they feel wedged in between and just used as a punching bag. Tho the reason the west didnt help is because they didnt want to escalate the COLD war into, you know, a direct one.
-The guy who somewhat led to and also took part in the revolution and was later killed by the communists was also appointed by them. Its one thing to say that okay maybe the communists didnt choose the right guy cause he was more hungarian than soviet at heart but you can bet both your balls and you dick as well that the communists wouldnt choose a fucking cia operative for the prime minister.
-Lastly, this is less serious but is funny, when i was grilling a tankie about this manner once i got sent some rando tankie conspiracy website about how the cia staged everything. Now the funny part was that this person didnt realize i was hungarian, and the person who wrote the conspiracy thing didnt understand either and it was clearly made in a way where they didnt expect you to know anything about 56 or understand hungarian so i just ended up reading some of it and it had stuff like “oh yeah this baker fighting in this picture? Yeah the cia released a document 30 years later about how he was an operative” and then the document they provided as evidence proceeded to disprove this by actually stating that the baker was getting SPIED ON by the cia not the baker being a spy for the cia 🤦. The confusion is probably caused by the cia probably knowing about the uprising before it happened but not actually helping in any way. It was a war they didnt need, in a country that they didnt care about, for a cause they were against(socialism). The sad part is thats why they lost the revolution. A radical jihadist uprising in any other part of the world wouldve gotten supported by the cia but not a socialist uprising in europe
Whelp, hope at least one person reads this rant and finds it interesting, tankies already strike a chord for me but when they talk bullshit about 56 i kinda loose it
- 8 hours
Points 1 and 2 aside, cause they’re a whole other bunch of bollocks…
How in the actual fuck does one justify the violent and literal crushing of the Chinese people’s right to protest against their government as a good thing?!
I’d love to see that propaganda link for myself, just to see how on Earth anybody could frame the killing of innocent people as a good thing.
- 1 hour
That’s about it.
Every protest that goes against the party is therefore wrong.
- theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
How in the actual fuck does one justify the violent and literal crushing of the Chinese people’s right to protest against their government as a good thing?!
I’d love to see that propaganda link for myself, just to see how on Earth anybody could frame the killing of innocent people as a good thing.
I’m not defending the Chinese government’s actions, but I can explain a potential framing of those actions and the mentality of defending it.
There is a concept called “Siege Socialism” that I don’t think many people really consider. I’ve written a number of comments explaining it. It’d been on my mind for a while but I was ignorant of the term until recently.
Capitalists hold so much power all over the world and they do NOT want anyone to consider anything else. It’s extremely difficult for a socialist/communist state to exist without it being pushed to become an authoritarian state. Consider the absolute onslaught of pressure from those capitalist powers. Propaganda, sanctions, trade wars, blockades, posturing, funding opposition parties, funding rebel groups, sabotage, proxy wars, etc. Imagine all of your neighbors working vehemently to ensure you look bad and fail at everything you do. Could you imagine a well-intentioned leader in such a situation pushed to paranoia and state violence? Is it even paranoia if its real?
The Chinese side is simple. Those protestors were funded and encouraged by the US and other foreign powers in an effort to destabilize and create unrest.
I’m not saying China had or currently has only innocent, well-intentioned leaders and I do not give any of them a pass for their uses of state violence. However, the US and western capitalist powers are just as capable of propaganda as the Chinese or Soviets and they often jump at any chance to make life more difficult for their enemies. I doubt it was anywhere near as simple as either side might try to paint it.
- Avicenna@programming.devEnglish3 hours
Like every fascist or overly authoritarian goverment in the history of world always does: “external enemies”.
- SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish8 hours
I think we can get an understanding from looking at all the points as a whole. Anything anti-america is good. Anything against that is a CIA op nazi. That’s their entire ideology, full stop.
Most tankies aren’t usually that braindead, but the general theme is the same.
- 8 hours
Because everything against China/Russia/NK is done bay the CIA at the behest of ‘Capitalism Inc.’ ©®
- 8 hours
Even if the CIA was involved with the protest, that doesn’t justify the massacre of peaceful, unarmed protesters.
- Carmakazi@piefed.socialEnglish8 hours
These are not serious people (if they’re people at all), and you should not spend too much time thinking about how to rebuke them, because bullshit is always more costly to debunk than to create.
This may be controversial because of the use of AI. But, I’ve been using an AI chatbot to rebuke and call out tankies without having to do all the work of debunking their claims by hand. I just add their comments to the prompt and ask the AI to pick their arguments apart with a witty comment. The AI gives me multiple responses to pick from. Then, I just copy paste, and reply. It makes it easy and fun to troll the trolls
Nah, trolls deserve to be feed slop. This way I keep them entertained, and they don’t go troll someone else
- TanteRegenbogen@feddit.orgEnglish14 minutes
I’d prefer not to support corporations that drove up memory prices and pollute the environment just for slop.
- 9 hours
I know that guy.
This is a DM from them seemingly in response to a thread about harassment on lemmy.
Yeah I was arguing with him a few days ago. Huge asshole, and completely disingenuous and unnecessarily combative.
- 19 minutes
Maybe that encounter was one step on his path to figuring out that he’s an asshole and your interaction with him made a positive difference. That would be nice.
Wait are you saying I turned him into an asshole?
No, he was an asshole before my first interaction with him and he’ll be an asshole long after my last.
What positive difference is there here? I don’t get it. Are you making a joke? I’m legitimately confused
Oh wait are you saying I gave him self-awareness? Because no, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest he’s capable of that.
Imagine typing that shit out and thinking “this is the correct course of action” before hitting send. Fuckin’ mental shit.
- 2 hours
Lashing out could be the way they learned to deal with their problems. Seems like they aren’t thinking at all.
- Avicenna@programming.devEnglish3 hours
Yeah if you keep countering their arguments for a long enough time, they usually degrade to automatically calling whatever you say fascist/nazi, you a genocide supporter (even when you also call it a genocide) and then finally start actually involving your family members in their fantasies. Quite reflective of the ideology they are defending.
- 3 hours
Absolutely, part of the I’m-consumed-by-despair, you-should-be-too category.
- TanteRegenbogen@feddit.orgEnglish9 hours
Honestly, you could send this directly to lemmy.today admins. It is unacceptable.
- 8 hours
I hadn’t even considered the admins, but especially since this is apparently a pattern of behavior, I reported it to mrmanager.
Thanks for the suggestion.
That’s a completely hinged and level headed message to send someone 🤨 /s
Thankfully the block button is a freely pressable one, hopefully you don’t have to deal with them anymore lmao
- 8 hours
Also thankfully my life rocks and that wacko is way off base, but it is concerning to find out they tell a lot of lemmy users to kill themselves.
- foodandart@lemmy.zipEnglish3 hours
It’s the best losers can do when they’ve got nothing. Is a really really old soc.men style response and though we’re decades removed from usenet, the desperation of adherents to the ideology of impotent rage is the same.
“Fascism is when Social Democracy…” -Average Tankie
Users like that
“u/GenevaSuggestions”(edit: the username is actually u/Geneva_Convenience @lemmy dot ml, I misremembered) user was like “Omg AOC is literally Hitler!” and literally photoshopped in the “hitler mustasche”(Yes I know Social Democracy is not sunshines and rainbows, but equating any system thats not perferectly 100% socialist utopia to be “fascist” is dilluting the meaning of fascism)
- 8 hours
A tankie anytime anything controversial comes up that China has done: CIA!!!
Look, the CIA are fucking abhorrent, but not every bad thing in a communist country is their fault. China especially so. They can do fucked up things all on their own without the CIA’s help.
- 8 hours
And even if the CIA was involved, that doesn’t automatically justify a violent response.
“…the term comes from Soviets crushing a nazi uprising with tanks…”
rofl 🤣
- 8 hours
“You see, comrade? As long as we call it ‘Nazi uprising’, we can crush anyone with tank and say is good thing.”
- ChicoSuave@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
Germans using English slang to label their event is just easily disproven nonsense. What a fool to believe such simple lies.
- Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish6 hours
(Yeah, I was confused too - I think they are referring to westerns/western political agents/some Hungarian fractions with western views (?) directly as “nazis”, not actual German nazis. That’s also the terminology USSR used at the time (50s). The word “Tankie” was first used in UK for UK communists/members of Britain’s communist party. From: wiki/Tankie, wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956)
- 8 hours
Crushing “A nazi uprising” with tanks, huh? Not heard of that. I’m pressing x to doubt
