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- 7 days
Holy crap, I know FOR SURE now that most of you are no fun at parties. Good luck out there lol.
- 7 days
We’re in a Linux meme community on Lemmy. There was no need for further confirmation lol
- 7 days
Oh I am aware. Just hoping to prompt some self awareness in these young nerds.
- 7 days
You can also wait for quantum fluctuations to randomly compute your thing…
- 7 days
The 2N3904 isn’t “minimum requirements for Linux” - it’s one bipolar transistor, and a Linux-capable computer still needs a CPU made from vastly more transistors, plus RAM, storage, clocking, buses, and supporting hardware. Not funny.
- Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 days
I just knew there would be at least one comment like this when I opened this thread.
7 daysNormal Person: “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse”
bnn1: “WELL, ACTUALLY, thats a lie because the average human stomach can only hold a maximum of about 4 liters of equivalent content, and a horses edible components break down into a far greater volume than 4 liters, as you should well know, making it fundamentally impossible for a human beings stomach, much less body, to be able to consume even a fraction of a horse before suffering egregious emergency harm. Not Funny”
- 7 days
I think humor should still be truthful, because plenty of people will believe whatever they read online and then repeat it as fact.
Honestly, this could even be a Chinese campaign to make Americans stupider. They’d benefit from that.
The previous paragraph is a completely made-up misinformation - exactly the kind of thing people can easily believe and spread. Which helps nobody. Except China.
- 7 days
Just in: Humor makes you stupid!
This contradicts all previous research linking humor to intellect.
More batshit news at 11
- 7 days
I think humor should still be truthful
It is truthful. The transistor is a metaphor for Linux’ low system requirements and plays with the running gag (and fact!) that you could run Linux on almost any computer system, regardless how shitty it is. This meme here is another hyperbole in the series of jokes that evolved around these low requirements.
Apart from that, I don’t think humor must be truthful. You can set up a fictional setting and still make it humorous. Otherwise we wouldn’t have all those ghost jokes for example. Just because ghosts don’t exist, doesn’t mean it can’t be humorous to pretend such scenarios.
- zip@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish8 days
Gosh, his character as ‘himself’ on Arrested Development was so damn good. It gets me every time. I think I’m way past due for another rewatch; thanks for reminding me! This was also a wonderful usage of the reference and gif! :)
- 8 days
Plot twist: it’s actually a whole SoC packaged to look like a single transistor, with the pins being for +V, ground, and a 1-Wire data bus.
I don’t know that such a thing exists, but these days I bet it could.
- 8 days
You’re right. A lightbulb plugged into a potato is the real minimum system requirement.
- 8 days
Linux requires at least 32 bit machine words, and it always has. Linux was originally written for Intel 80386.
Linux requires a hardware MMU to support virtual memory. There are patches that can make a no-MMU kernel, but it drastically changes the experience to do so.
- 7 days
Well it is kinda cheating but Linux does “run” on a intel 4004 running a MIPS emulator
I think you could cook something like a 4-bit turing complete computer with around 100 transistors or so. And i guess turing completeness basically means “it will run with enough elbow grease” in this case
(if we exclude memory from the transistor count…)
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish8 days
Not quite just a transistor but maybe something like this (an SOC with 32MB ram which costs about $5 in bulk) though it does require quite a bit of additional electronics to work.
Also somebody also made an embedded Linux for the ESP32-S3 (which is even cheaper and doesn’t require anywhere as much auxiliary electronics).
PS: Yeah, I got the joke. Just pointing out that the reality itself is quite impressive.
- 8 days
Some crazy fucker got the OG Tomb Raider to run on an ESP chip.
Although the ESP is significantly more powerful than the original console.
- Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 days
Well, the full realtime 3D aspect does make it significantly more impressive
- 8 days
https://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=07.+Linux+on+8bit
This guy ran linux on 8-bit microcontroller by emulating a hogher end processor on an 8 bit computer. He also emulated the ram on an SD card.
Slow as heck, but can be done.
funny thing - the SDRAM used provides 300kb/sec, while the SDcard used as storage provides 200kb/sec. Performancewise they could just skip most of the ram outside of booting and use the SDcard without losing much performance, especially since the SDRAM needs to be refreshed every 62ms for a duration of 3ms regardless of use.
Edit: I LOVE this part:
It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt (“init=/bin/bash” kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu (“exec init” and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer. The effective emulated CPU speed is about 6.5KHz, which is on par with what you’d expect emulating a 32-bit CPU & MMU on a measly 8-bit micro. Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usable. You can type a command and get a reply within a minute. That is to say that you can, in fact, use it. I used it to day to format an SD card, for example. This is definitely not the fastest, but I think it may be the cheapest, slowest, simplest to hand assemble, lowest part count, and lowest-end Linux PC. The board is hand-soldered using wires, there is not even a requirement for a printed circuit board.
6 hours to get into X is ridiculous- and i misread - it takes 6 hours to boot , and then hours more to get an X server running lol
- 7 days
Ok, but with emulation and enough time, you can run any software on as much as a light switch.
- 8 days
88 pins, that’s way too many!
Is there a 32 pin DIP-32 chip that can run Linux?
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 days
Well, as two people already pointed out, turns out somebody got Linux to run on the 8-bit ATMega1284p microcontroller which comes in a DIP package, though it’s 44 pin rather than 32.
- morto@piefed.socialEnglish8 days
There are some not practical, but workable as proof of concept examples that go even lower:
https://hackaday.com/2012/03/28/building-the-worst-linux-pc-ever/
- Zwiebel@feddit.orgEnglish7 days
>Not quite
>has about 1.5 million gates in the CPU alone
>each gate is multiple transistors
- 7 days
I will probably be hated for this.
NetBSD’s slogan is “Of course it runs NetBSD”, and with good cause.
- 7 days
GNU/Linux Copypasta
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
- 8 days
This made me look up if you could somehow run it on vacuum tubes, sadly not
9 day boot time on a 4004!
- cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish7 days
I’m sure someone could figure out how to boot Linux on a vacuum tube computer. The problem is there just aren’t that many around that are still operational.
- 7 days
OMG!
I booted Debian Linux on a 4-bit intel microprocessor from 1971 - the first microprocessor in the world - the 4004. It is not fast, but it is a real Linux kernel with a Debian rootfs on a real board whose only CPU is a real intel 4004 from the 1970s. The video is sped up at variable rates to demonstrate this without boring you. The clock and calendar in the video are accurate. A constant-rate video is linked below.
- Zwiebel@feddit.orgEnglish7 days
Of course you can run it on tubes, in principal, since they do the same as transistors at the end of the day
Someone has done this with relays so I don’t blame you for asking.
- 7 days
You may not like it, but if your distro can’t run on this, it’s bloated.
