Why is it so hard to stop a behavior even when you know it’s hurting you? Whether it’s food addiction, sugar cravings, binge eating, scrolling, shopping, drinking, or another compulsive habit, knowing what you should do is often very different from actually being able to change. In this episode, I unpack why certain habits become so difficult to give up, why stress can pull us back into old behaviors, and why lasting behavior change may require looking beyond willpower, discipline, or simply removing the addictive behavior.
I also share what I learned through my own recovery from an eating disorder, why fear, certainty, identity, and self-sabotage can keep us stuck, and how our underlying needs may influence the behaviors we repeatedly turn to for relief, comfort, control, or escape. If you’ve ever asked, “Why do I keep doing this when I know better?”, this conversation explores what may actually be happening underneath addiction and what has to change for the pattern itself to finally lose its grip.
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Why changing food behavior is not simply about willpower (00:00–02:20)
- Sugar stimulates the body, but its effects do not fully explain why some people stop eating it while others repeatedly return. Knowing which foods to eat and knowing the benefits of carnivore do not ensure behavioral change.
- Repeated harmful behaviors are often driven by unmet needs, not weakness, insufficient discipline, or an inherent personal defect. Identifying these needs makes sustained changes possible.
- An adaptation of Maslow’s hierarchy organizes six fundamental human needs that drive behavior, habits, and addictions. [1][2]
The six human needs (02:20–04:20)
- Certainty: Safety, control, stability, and predictability create security and knowledge of what to expect.
- Uncertainty or variety: Novelty, stimulation, adventure, and change fulfill a need that a strict beef, salt, and water diet may leave unmet, especially for people with a strong desire for variety.
- Significance: Feeling important, valued, special, needed, and meaningful to other people.
- Love and connection: Belonging, affection, emotional closeness, and meaningful relationships.
- Growth: Learning, healing, progressing, and developing beyond one’s current capabilities.
- Contribution: Serving others, giving, and finding purpose beyond oneself and one’s immediate family.
- The first four needs vary in relative importance between people; growth and contribution are higher fulfillment needs. All six influence behavior, and healthier actions can satisfy them.
Why habits and addictions become persistent (04:20–07:20)
- A behavior fulfilling at least three human needs becomes harder to give up, with greater persistence as more needs are fulfilled. Addiction develops when the habit continues despite being harmful. [2]
- A stable relationship fulfills certainty through reliability, significance through feeling valued, and love through emotional connection. These fulfilled needs help sustain the relationship.
- Unhealthy relationships can also fulfill several needs: unpredictable communication supplies uncertainty and stimulation, while occasional affection supplies significance and connection, sustaining attachment despite harm.
- Shame and self-criticism do not adequately explain persistent habits. They continue because they fulfill important needs despite their damaging consequences.
Why food addiction and binge eating persist (07:20–12:40)
- In Judy Cho’s clinical practice, people who successfully followed carnivore often returned to carbohydrates and processed foods under stress. Sugar has stimulating effects, while eating also fulfills emotional needs.
- Certainty: Familiar foods provide predictable comfort, emotional responses, and temporary relief, making them reliable tools for coping or escape.
- Uncertainty: Food variety, unfamiliar flavors, availability, and different eating experiences can supply excitement and novelty, depending on individual needs.
- Love and connection: Foods associated with childhood, parents, grandparents, school, and happier memories provide nostalgia and an indirect sense of belonging during loneliness or disconnection.
- Escape, reward, and relief: Binges can numb painful emotions after difficult days, reward two weeks of disciplined eating, or provide pleasurable, dopamine-associated relief during exhaustion.
- Control: Decisions about which foods to eat and when provide a sense of control when other parts of life feel uncontrollable. Control is an important component of many eating disorders.
- Immediate comfort, relief, pleasure, numbing, or control can be followed by shame, physical discomfort, carbohydrate-related symptoms, diminished self-trust, fear, and renewed cravings. The immediate reward can sustain behavior despite later harm.
Meet the need through a healthier behavior (12:40–17:10)
- During COVID, previously successful carnivore dieters returned to processed foods amid widespread uncertainty, stress, and fight-or-flight responses; familiar food temporarily fulfilled their need for certainty.
- One pattern is stress, loneliness, or overwhelm followed by food, brief relief, and longer-term suffering. A healthier pattern involves identifying the underlying need and fulfilling it through regulation, support, nourishment, or other activities.
- Questions about a behavior’s purpose, the feelings it avoids, and the need it fulfills identify where change is necessary more effectively than asking why self-control fails.
- Shame reinforces negative cycles. Repeated beliefs about weakness, incapacity, or inevitable failure direct the limbic system toward experiences that confirm those beliefs. Identifying unmet needs supports change without reinforcing a negative identity.
- Certainty can come from meal structure, routine, planning, and preparation. Uncertainty can come from varied movement, creativity, novelty, and anticipation of trips and new experiences.
- Connection can come from shared meals and supportive relationships. Significance can come from small commitments, such as ten consecutive days of meat-based breakfasts tracked on a calendar.
- Occasional setbacks need not produce shame. Small successes build self-respect, follow-through, and additional ways to fulfill underlying needs.
The needs jar: a practical tool for cravings (17:10–21:25)
- A needs jar contains four groups of color-coded slips for certainty, uncertainty, significance, and love and connection. Each slip contains a specific activity identified during a calm period as capable of fulfilling that need.
- During a strong craving or binge urge, emotional activation can impair logical decision-making. Drawing slips from the jar provides activities through which unmet needs can be fulfilled.
- When an urge persists and food is eaten, recording emotions, bodily sensations, anticipation, and thoughts before, during, and after eating makes the experience easier to examine.
- Dopamine and anticipation can make the time before a binge especially exciting. Attention to seeking food, traveling to obtain it, opening its packaging, its texture, the first bite, and accompanying emotions helps expose the sequence.
- Food choice can follow workplace stress, difficulty setting boundaries, or feeling unimportant to a boss. Eating can temporarily fulfill the resulting unmet need for significance or comfort.
- Identifying these connections repeatedly separates behavioral patterns from personal inadequacy and creates opportunities to fulfill needs through other actions.
- Boredom, frustration, and repetitive routines are yellow flags. Early recognition creates opportunities to fulfill unmet needs before the red flag of bingeing or returning to processed food.
The mind-body connection and chronic illness (21:25–25:55)
- Infections, toxins, mold, endotoxins, food sensitivities, inflammation, pain, and poor sleep activate immune and stress responses. Mast cells contribute to immune signaling, while the hypothalamus, autonomic nervous system, cortisol, adrenaline, blood pressure, and muscle tension participate in stress responses.
- Stress, fear, anxiety, trauma, negative beliefs, and interpretations of experience also activate the limbic system and influence hypothalamic, autonomic, and immune signaling.
- Eliminating dietary or environmental triggers may be insufficient for healing when psychological triggers continue activating stress pathways. Feedback loops can continue even after physical exposures stop.
- Nervous system regulation and limbic retraining modify habitual responses to people, environments, and memories. These learned changes require practice comparable to acquiring a language or musical skill.
- Physical recovery, nutrition, emotional regulation, and changes in processing experiences are interconnected elements of lasting recovery.
Certainty, self-sabotage, and fear of success (25:55–30:35)
- During divorce, bereavement, accidents, or major stress, familiar habits become automatic. Fear and anger can supply certainty because their emotional patterns are familiar.
- During eating disorder recovery, Judy Cho expected eventual relapse even during periods of success and sometimes almost brought that relapse about herself to fulfill familiar expectations.
- Self-sabotage can preserve familiar limitations and avoid testing personal potential. Removing obstacles such as illness, addiction, and excess weight can expose uncertainty about ambitions and abilities.
- Becoming an artist, author, successful speaker, or pursuing other aspirations involves the risk of failure. Familiar suffering can feel safer than discovering one’s actual capabilities.
- Fear of failure and success can preserve the status quo. Healthier sources of certainty are necessary to stop familiar behaviors from undermining progress.
Decision, commitment, resolve, and belief (30:35–35:00)
- Tony Robbins’ model of lasting change involves deciding, committing, and resolving. Decisions must produce concrete action, commitment, and determination to complete the change. [3]
- With a needs jar, the decision is to fulfill needs differently, the commitment is to acquire supplies and create the jar, and resolve includes a deadline for finishing it.
- Dietary commitment can involve removing all carbohydrate-containing foods from the house. Burning the boats removes easy routes back and reinforces an identity built around not eating those foods.
- People generally already know that frequent fast food, pizza, French fries, and candy consumption is harmful. Lack of nutritional information is not the fundamental barrier.
- Immediate rewards are attractive despite future harm. Strengthening belief that change will work, committing fully to carnivore or a chosen healing approach, and fulfilling underlying needs reduces reliance on old habits.
Growth, contribution, and hedonic adaptation (35:00–38:30)
- Certainty, uncertainty, significance, and connection are fundamental survival needs. Growth and contribution become the basis for deeper fulfillment after the first four needs are sufficiently met.
- Growth involves ongoing learning, development, and experience. Contribution involves serving others and pursuing purposes beyond personal health and family.
- Hedonic adaptation is the fading of the happiness initially produced by achieving a goal. Reaching an annual income of $50,000 may bring excitement that declines after several paychecks. [4]
- Diminishing satisfaction reflects the ongoing need for growth. Success with carnivore and recovery from illness or binge eating create time and energy for additional ambitions.
- New experiences, goals, challenges, and contributions continue beyond a single milestone, because the drive to progress continues throughout life.
Self-talk, mental imagery, and physiological responses (38:30–41:40)
- The first three adjectives or phrases used for self-definition may include being a failure, never succeeding, always starting over, or being stuck.
- Repeated self-definitions influence what the limbic system notices and predicts and how the body prepares to respond. Negative self-definitions reinforce perceptions that conform to the same negative identity.
- In an orchestra experiment also mentioned in Judy Cho’s book Inflammation Fix, observing an orchestra and imagining it playing activated the same brain regions. [5]
- Thoughts and perceptions influence physiology. An imagined threat can produce bodily responses comparable to a real threat, and thoughts about conflict with colleagues or family members can cause muscle tension and stress without an external event occurring.
- Mental stress sustained over hours, weeks, months, or years can perpetuate physiological stress and contribute to chronic illness. Repeated words and thoughts influence nervous system responses.
- Recording negative self-definitions over several days helps identify repeated messages and their effects on emotional and physiological responses.
Practice, recovery, and lasting behavior change (41:40–46:05)
- Examining each recurring habit or addiction reveals which human needs it fulfills. Fulfilling three or more needs makes persistence easier to explain.
- A needs jar provides healthier activities to try whenever an urge arises. Repeated practice across several activities can continue until the craving passes, although cravings do not always resolve immediately.
- After a setback, acknowledging what happened and continuing without shame prevents reinforcement of a negative self-identity. Each successful response helps develop new habitual patterns.
- Judy Cho expected a lifelong eating disorder and constant reliance on willpower, but after seven or eight years of nutrition, nervous system regulation, limbic retraining, purpose, and service, stress no longer automatically triggers thoughts of food.
- Lasting change can require identifying deeper sources of unmet needs, including relationships, weak boundaries, or inadequate connection. These circumstances may require changes beyond dietary discipline.
- The central exercises are creating a needs jar and examining self-defining words. Recognizing early yellow flags and fulfilling needs in healthier ways reduces dependence on shame or willpower for controlling recurring food habits.
References
- [01:53] A theory of human motivation — https://doi.org/10.1037/h0054346
- [01:56] Why do we do what we do? — https://www.tonyrobbins.com/podcasts/why-we-do-what-we-do
- [30:35] Making financial dreams a reality — https://www.tonyrobbins.com/blog/how-money-makes-dreams-reality
- [36:03] Hedonic Adaptation — https://doi.org/10.1002/9781119547143.ch40
- [39:15] Inflammation Fix — https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/inflammation-fix/

