• m0stlyharmless@lemmy.zipEnglish
    9 months

    It tracks that a fascist would present a picture of people who aren’t able-bodied white men and just assume that one should take that as intrinsically negative. It reveals their vile mindset.

  • madjo@piefed.socialNederlands
    9 months

    Antifa has leaders?! Since when?

    Also anyone who’s against antifa, is fascist. By definition.

    • Bgugi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      Anybody who’s against North Korea is against democracy. Anybody who’s against nazis is against socialism.

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        Just to be clear, your implication is that Antifa isn’t actually anti-fascist, but is fascist themselves?

        Do you realize how hard it would be for antifa, a decentralized concept that people self identify as, to band together to oppress everyone in favor of nationalism? And what nation would they be oppressing for?

        If you are correct, and I want you be clear that you aren’t and you’re dumb, but if you are correct then I’m fucking impressed by antifa more than ever.

        • felsiq@piefed.zipEnglish
          9 months

          I think they’re just saying names aren’t always accurate, given the North Korea -> democracy (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) and Nazi -> socialism (National Socialist) examples.

          Antifa is great but sweeping statements based only on a name like the one they’re responding to are definitely not accurate

          • gray@lemmy.mlEnglish
            9 months

            This assumes that antifa is an organization of some sort. If you think of antifa as an identity or aspiration the statement makes sense.

            Edit misspell

            • Bgugi@lemmy.worldEnglish
              9 months

              Felsiq is right on the money - it’s a braindead argument regardless of how you feel about antifa.

              I don’t know why people itt keep saying that “it’s not an organization” somehow absolves it of any misdirection regarding its name.

              I suppose a more direct comparison is “if you’re anti-pro-life, you’re anti-life.”

  • Kirp123@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 months

    Still seems bonkers to me they made anti-fascists the bad guys.

    • slothrop @lemmy.caEnglish
      9 months

      It demonstrates they don’t comprehend basic English - this statement included.

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
        9 months

        Not really. To you, antifa is a loosely-if-at-all organised collection of people united by opposition to fascism. To them, it’s a real organisation with actual members who use violence against the government. To you, because the collection isn’t really organised, the name determines what it is. To them, because it’s a real organisation, the name can be a lie and doesn’t matter. To you, direct action against the government is justified, because they’re in the process of creating a fascist state. To them, the government isn’t fascist, so action against the government can’t be on the basis of anti-fascism; antifa must therefore be a dishonest label.

        • Scubus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          9 months

          Ah, but you have made the classical mistake of assuming they think/ actually believe what they are saying and arent just trying to disenfranchise billions.

          • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
            9 months

            Who’s “they”, now? I think that plenty of politicians knowingly misrepresent things like this, but I don’t think the average Trump voter/Fox news watcher understands. Otherwise the politicians and the news just wouldn’t have to lie.

      • Jack@slrpnk.netEnglish
        9 months

        A friend asked me what is antifa… I started carrying crayons after that encounter.