cross-posted from: https://lemmy.wtf/post/49143200
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/71629767
This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.
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- Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.caEnglish5 days
I remember when consumers had power because they refused to buy things. Tech has power because no one will go without. Don’t buy a new phone, computer, tablet, game. Make do with what you already have. Stop approving of everything Tech is doing by buying all their stuff regardless of the enshitification and spyware. Learn how to use cash again or whatever is necessary to stop empowering Tech.
- GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
I remember when consumers had power because they refused to buy things.
they still do, it’s just that the markets are supersaturated and not enough people have the integrity or willpower to stop themselves from financially supporting corporate interests.
- phx@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
Assuming age ID wasn’t invasive and stupid to begin with, there could be other ways to set it that would be much less invasive for many devices, such as setting an “IS_ADULT” flag on devices (or even an associated account) at the time of registration.
“Hey Mr Smith, it looks like you’ve never registered a device on our phone network before but you’ve got a driver’s license from 1979 so we’ll just set the age code on your account aaaand, done”.
Then you get a sheet of random scratch-off AV codes pulled from a drawer that you can use on other shit, similar to how VPN providers do to separate payment vs login. Nothing should ever say who you are or even your age, just “hey this person is old enough, fuck off and let them at it”.
It’s still annoying, but less privacy invasive. And it’ll never fly because what they really want is to tie all communication back to a person not just an age.
- GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
been saying this for over a decade.
nobody cared then, nobody cares now.
the day I can no longer ensure my privacy is the day I abandon tech completely.
the day I can no longer live daily without technology is the day I abandon society.
- 5 days
I’m burned out being online anymore. It was fun and now it’s not. It’s just stressful
- bagsy@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
every goddamn thing needs an update or a login or some feature was deleted or now this thing cant talk to that thing. it is unbelievably exhausting. i dream of becoming a hermit in the woods somewhere.
- NarrativeBear@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
I just run my own internet now, completely restricted to my own hosted websites and services. With hookers and blackjack.
5 daysLol, thinking this won’t come for the Linux kernel is laughably naive.
- Kaligalis@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
Thinking that the free open-source software (FOSS) community will not find a way to work around whatever comes their way is the pure essence of ignorance. Remember when crypto was export restricted? Yeah, it got exported no problem. Only FOSS users had strong crypto outside the US.
If they try to repeat this with age restrictions, well, I use Gentoo and will probably be able to just put in a number which the OS then reports to whoever asks. Aren’t we all born on 1970-01-01?
- Wakko@hell.cloudEnglish5 days
Y’all just cannot fathom how completely most people do not care until it directly impacts them personally.
- 5 days
Shit even when it does impact them directly they still do nothing but accept it, while whining about it.
- 5 days
Stallman calls this “Service as a Software Substitute” (SaaSS): users operate weak “thin clients” while the real computing happens on someone else’s server. He argues this creates dependence and oppression because users cannot control, inspect, modify, or reliably access the software handling their data. He develops this argument in “What Does That Server Really Serve?” (2010).
- Fedditor385@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
You can’t demand anything from open source becasue I can just change the demands myself. Linux is free from this nonsense.
- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 days
only until device attestation does not exist on the web. google has already tried to make it a thing, and the public backlash only caused them to continue development in chrome on android
- Shin@piefed.socialEnglish6 days
My problema isn’t the age verification, but the privacy. But how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?
The problem is that the services are asking for age verification, but to do that, you need to supply them personal information, and the way the information is handled is opaque. You’re handing highly sensitive information to a private company that, more often than not, cannot be trusted to handle that information responsibly for the singular purpose they’re tasked with.
One solution would be an official government service which supplies this information and nothing else. We have “strong identification service” in Finland, they supply your identifying information to government services and businesses that need to have the actual information on record, while you see which information gets shared. There’s no technical reason this service couldn’t just supply “Is this person 18+? Yes/No” and absolutely nothing else, even anything tying this person to any identifier.
Actually, if age verification would become a legal requirement, I’d expect the technical side to be exactly that. I frankly can’t believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went “whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen”.
I frankly can’t believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went “whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen”.
Do you not have corruption in Finland?
Belgium’s user verification app was built by a consortium of local banks and ISPs, most of which have politicians or ex-politicians on their boards.
we don’t have corruption in finland. we only have “hyvä veli -verkostot” which means “dear brother networks”
they might or might not be the exact same thing, but who knows
- cubism_pitta@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
The answer is actually fairly simple and easier to implement than ID collection.
My family for example, is all on apple products. So my kids are all under my family as kids in iCloud. With that information any web browser has more than enough information to just send a header saying “No porn or non-age suitable things to this device, please” as a header
It mostly respects privacy while putting the onus of not serving non age appropriate things to the service provider that can serve the non age appropriate thing.
Instead we are going for collecting IDs because some idiots want to strip anonymity and even bigger idiots don’t know how to setup devices for their children
- evilcultist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish6 days
I don’t want that either. I’d like to be the one determining what’s age-suitable. If I haven’t denied access for my 14 year old to access worldofwarcraft.com, then some legislator shouldn’t be able to say “adults use chat so block them in case someone says the word shit”.
I’m not even sure if this is a problem with “idiots” not knowing how to set up devices for their children as much as it is the same old moral panic. “I don’t like how some people are parenting their children! Certain words are bad and should be blocked! LGBT content is adults only! Kids shouldn’t be aware of what’s going on in Gaza!”
- cubism_pitta@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
Thats great, the design of that still gives you the parent the ability to decide that. You just have to take responsibility.
