Researchers, industry leaders urge Ottawa to develop rules to protect consumers as Canada opens its market to Chinese EVs
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- 3 hours
Another hit piece on the only affordable cars just because it’s from sCaRy cHiNa.
Meanwhile North American cars already track everything you do and sell it to your insurance company and anyone else willing to buy that data. No bad mouthing of the expensive domestic spy machines though.
- Binturong@lemmy.caEnglish4 hours
Our government should look to Mexico and follow their lead and just produce its own vehicles instead of infinitely deferring to private and foreign interests and partnerships that inevitably lead to huge losses for the Canadian taxpayers. Why hand all that production and industriousness off to a foreign interest of any sort? Tax dollars and canadian materials could support the production and secure lives for Canadian workers, and all their downstream wage spending, and profits from vehicles stay in the country instead of going to some stock buybacks for a company that could actually jsut fuck off any old day they choose as we’ve been seeing as a result of US tarrifs.
- 6 hours
The US has to come up with court orders and warrants to get data from third parties like GM or Ford, and those companies are not compelled to collect any particular dataset. Every Chinese business is, by default, required to both capture all data and share it with the Chinese government, and they are required not to disclose that they were collecting and sharing that data.
- 40 minutes
So? I the US the data is sent to third parties with your géo-localisation data and driving data, along with other personal info. Third parties like insurance companies, marketing companies, AI, etc. It’s like your car is essentially Meta
- 5 hours
Exactly, gov’t access isn’t nearly the main problem as a lot of our lives are controlled by private corporations. Besides, the gov’t can buy access to this data from data broker firms.
- 5 hours
Tracking your driving habits is a privacy violation but not the biggest issue with Chinese cars. The Chinese government has unrestricted access to collected data AND they can compel manufactures to collect specific kinds of data. That turns Chinese cars into a fleet or war drivers.
With thousands of vehicles recording every WiFi point and bluetooth device that passes in range you can track other devices and other vehicles that are not of Chinese origin. For example, a politician or members of that politician’s entourage could have their phone’s wifi and bt mac identified at a public event by a Chinese agent. From that point on they can be tracked anytime they pass within a hundred meters of a Chinese car. Even if the VIP is practicing good opsec their entourage may have a personal device that is identifiable. This would let the Chinese government get a heads up on meetings with businesses or other heads of state about which they would not have otherwise known.
And this is the most trivial example, it would require so little data transmission from each car that it could be hidden in regular diagnostic and update communications.
- 39 minutes
I understand what you’re saying. And you’re right.
But I think you’re missing the point.
- 4 hours
How do you know the Chinese business are REQUIRED to capture ALL data? What constitutes “all” data?
- 8 hours
I don’t see how this isn’t a problem for every car regardless of country origin.
- 5 hours
It is, all of them are collecting and selling all of our data. The article I read said every car company they investigated and it was a lot.
- Canajan@piefed.caEnglish4 hours
Right, it’s like they don’t think the Chinese have access to Google Maps where you can literally do street view and gain knowledge as well.
- 8 hours
Oh, it is. Best bet is to never have anything new enough to have a screen.
- 8 hours
Here I am installing my own screen and carrying my stupid phone with me at all times.
- 7 hours
The only reason I say a screen is that cars with a screen always have GPS connectivity. So either you buy a base model early 2010s car without it, or you get something older. Because then, it you’re truly concerned about being tracked you can leave your phone at home. Plus, no Internet or satellite connectivity means it can’t be remotely shut down. Of course, you’d want to buy it cash so the dealership or finance company aren’t tracking you for repossession purposes.
- 8 hours
Everything true about Chinese risks is also true of American cars.
- 7 hours
Everyone is scared of Chinese spying, meanwhile they use TikTok and tell their life stories to LLMs.
This is idiotic.
And ironically enough, it’s the American brand data that’s actually more damaging on a personal basis. I’m guessing that the CCP wouldn’t be selling my driving data to my insurance company, so that they can jack up my rates. We already know that the American brands are doing exactly that.
- 8 hours
This why Tesla’s are banned in any strategic areas in China. They worry about the same play that they are going to do when the BYDs enter Canada. Rolling spy machines.
Also the cars are easy to hack…
- Freeposity@lemmy.worldEnglish8 hours
I’m looking forward to the open source upgrades to these vehicles. I’m sure someone will try to say it’s a safety issue to run your own code instead of the manufacturer’s.
- 8 hours
Jail breaking these would be amazing. F their subscriptions for heated seats and more HP, I have all the options now!
My guess is the BYDs would be the easiest considering how bad their security is atm. I know Tesla is a bunch of ass hats when it comes to self repair. They would lose their mind if they lost control of their cars.
- Freeposity@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
Yeah Tesla voids your warranty and then tries to brick your car.
- 7 hours
Yup, they went after that guy that fixed his battery w/ less than 20 dollars in plumbing parts from damage hitting some simple road debris. The only option they gave him was a new batter for an ungodly amount of money.
8 hoursJapanese car companies ignored the shift to EV, and now they are going out of business. Nissan will be the first to go, followed by Honda.
I just saw some Japanese people repeating misinformation on EVs on the Reddit
