• Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 month

    If they don’t care, make them care. That’s what courts are for: make criminals feel the law.

  • Saledovil@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1 month

    Is a video of a baby roasting in an oven even illegal? In general, are videos of violent crime illegal?

    • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 month

      This. People reaaaaally don’t like that point, but video/fictional stuff should not be held to the same standard as actual, living people. Otherwise, we can kiss goodbye to 90% of the entertainment business. Movies, books, video games, pictures, all of those should be allowed to depict stuff, if only to criticize it.

      Unfortunately, too many people think that if they don’t want to see something, no media of it should exist.

      It would be very different if actual people were used, or even just their likeness, because then it actually can cause harm and distress. But this? People wasting their time defending pixels are doing only one thing: not defending actual people.

      • im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish
        1 month

        video/fictional stuff should not be held to the same standard as actual, living people.

        Disagree.

        Loads of countries treat animations or computer generated images the same as photos.

        No one is “defending pixels”. The actual reasons are that the abuse of children should not be normalised, that authorities should not have to identify a specific victim, and that no legitimate artistic interest is served.

        That said, the question of whether a child in an oven depicts child abuse according to the interpretation of the court is another question entirely, and I suspect that the answer is that it does not. Yes placing a child in an oven would be abusive, no an image of a child in an oven is not “child abuse material”.

        Otherwise, we can kiss goodbye to 90% of the entertainment business.

        Preposterous.

        • adoptivecactuar@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1 month

          I agree with the points you’re making, but I’d also like to put in my two cents as a victim of CSA and CSAM production. Not that it makes me an any sort of authority on it; I just wanted to share my opinion.

          I don’t think fictional material should be considered the same as real footage. In real material there is a victim whereas (unless a person’s likeness is being used) there is none in fictional material. The reason CSAM is so horrible is because of the fact there is a victim, not because the material itself is disturbing (which it is, don’t get me wrong). I think that making them equal crimes is a huge disservice to the victims and downplays the crime that was committed against them, both socially and legally. In my experience a lot of people already oppose CSAM more so due to the material being graphic rather than the actual assault and continued violence against the victim by possessing/sharing footage of it.

      • Jason@feddit.ukEnglish
        1 month

        And where do you draw the line?

        For example, do you think CSAM should be legal as long as those in the material are fictional?

        If you think that is not okay, would it make a difference to you if those in the material were not “realistic” (but still underage)?

        I don’t think people are suggesting it should be illegal because they personally don’t want to see it, but rather because they believe that it is damaging to society as a whole.

        • jumping redditor [they/them]@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1 month

          drawn pornographic depcitions are generally legal and protected by the first amendment in the united states, even if the artist explicitly states the characters are minors.

    • dreamkeeper@literature.cafeEnglish
      1 month

      Why are you deflecting to illegality? Meta removes tons of posts that are completely legal when they don’t fit into Meta’s political agenda

    • antianarchist@sopuli.xyzdeleted by creatorEnglish
      1 month

      What? How? I mean… there are quite a lot of violent and graphic movies out there. So this should not be illegal. However, it has to be made sure that those videos cannot be seen by non-adults.

        • antianarchist@sopuli.xyzdeleted by creatorEnglish
          1 month

          Well, I know what you are trying to say, you just put it in a very extreme way. This is like saying that there are smokers who are 90yo, so it must be not affecting your health. A skewed view, because you don’t see the affected people, because they are six feet under. Same with traumatized people, who choose suicide because of all their experiences.

  • qevlarr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 month

    I wanted to see one of these awful videos for myself, so I went to Google and started typing “Facebook baby in oven” when Google suggested to add “how long” 😂

  • eicker@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 month

    Meta has hundreds of billions to chase superintelligence, but apparently can’t figure out how to remove AI videos depicting child abuse, even when journalists hand over the accounts. Facebook’s recommendation algorithm can find this content effortlessly. Shame the moderation team apparently can’t.

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 month

      I’ll bite. Modding a game is your business; it’s up to each internet board to decide if that mod or its depictions is acceptable within its terms of use.

      Facebook’s terms of use probably prohibits depicting pictures of babies in ovens, thus, if it’s imposed on some and not others, that’s not the correct implementation of their own terms of use·

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 month

    you know how to make them care?

    start generating AI videos of rich people roasting in ovens.

  • Greyghoster@aussie.zoneEnglish
    1 month

    I’ve already moved off it, Mastodon is a much nicer feel. In fact I try not to use anything Meta including WhatsApp.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.caEnglish
    1 month

    hint: is the baby roasting in oven video accompanied by a hasbara/description of “this is what hamas/palestinians do to Israeli babies”?

  • Creegz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 month

    When I still used Facebook would regularly report imitation sites and posts pretending to be national news outlets as impersonation and misinformation. They would never do anything about it. On Instagram I’ve reported openly hateful accounts calling for violence against groups, as their account name or bio and it doesn’t violate their TOS according to the responses I’m getting.

    • TeaWithDani@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 month

      Same. I would report stuff multiple times. Things obviously criminal in nature.

      End of the day, Facebook is that desperate for engagement. They’ll allow anything to happen on the platform.