White Nationalists #nazis showed up in Kamloops today to protest ahead of Truth and Reconciliation Day.
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- 16 days
They all live their lives in a state of constant fear, using any and every real world excuse to stay that way.
- 15 days
Sorry can’t kill an ideology with violence only create martyr and future flare up this is a job for education and address socioeconomic factors that allow vulnerable people to be sucked into supremacist gangs.
- 15 days
“They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat Whilst Hess remained in prison, and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an Aryan world wold never materialize
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died” - Chumbawumba
(We didn’t kill enough Nazis the first time)
- 14 days
The world is riddled with maggots and the maggots are getting fat.
Love that song and Chumbawumba is the best punk band ever.
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish15 days
That’s not how points of logic work. You only need one. If you reject some of them and others remain, you haven’t gotten anywhere except to be a distraction. Didn’t move the discussion anywhere.
- 15 days
Yet the decades after were the most prosperous in the history of the human race. Sounds like it was worth it.
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish15 days
Not so. Not remotely. You know when the other most prosperous times were? After plagues, famines, wars, and other mass deaths. Not the gloat you wish it was.
- 15 days
Not the gloat you wish it was
Except what I said, which was “the most prosperous in the history of the human race” is 100% true. Quality of life for essentially everyone in the entire world went up in the 2nd half of the 20th century way beyond what they were before, even in countries like North Korea and Somalia. Advancements in technology, medicine, and globalization brought wealth to billions, much of which was due to the world order brought about by the allied powers.
Also, not sure why you think fighting fascism in that war was such a bad thing. Do you really think we’d be better off if the Nazis were not opposed?
- 15 days
Sure.
70 years after we fought a war to defeat fascism, it has been resurrected under the guise of American conservative populisim, in no small part because people have forgotten the lesson of WWII.I mean, if you’re under the impression that we can somehow defeat fascism for all time then never ever have to worry about it ever again, then you’ll be sadly disappointed. Freedom requires vigilance.
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish12 days
I understand how that’s an appealing narrative that helps you make sense of the world and manage your feelings, and in that sense it is a very good narrative. But it’s not reality. The solution you’re so proud of requires a mass purge every three generations, and you think that’s just the way it has to be. Fully buying in to a narrative built around a cosmic conflict between good and evil FFS is buying in to the whole model of fascism. The ruling class WANTS the slaughter, the boom, the crunch, the conflict, and the next slaughter. Every step in the cycle, they ratchet their power and wealth. It’s not an accident that it keeps happening, and the solution isn’t just to play your role on the other side of the stage. It isn’t naive kids playing nazi who are your enemy, you naive kid playing WWII conscript. Fascism never ever occurs in the absence of wealthy capitalists. Shooting their employees doesn’t fucking solve anything.
- 8 days
Well I hate to break it to you, but you’ll never truly stamp out fascist ideology permanently for the rest of time. It must be continously fought against. Every generation needs to be educated to oppose it, and when it takes power it needs to be stamped out and destroyed, with violence if necessary.
It isn’t naive kids playing nazi who are your enemy,
YES, IT IS. Because “naive kids” grow up to be full fledged fascist adults. I’ll give you an example: 4chan.
Yes, 4chan is the reason why we have all these nazis running around. But back in 2003 one could actually get banned from 4chan for being racist. Moot used to periodically go through and perge all those assholes because he didn’t want his website turning into a white supremacist hang-out. See all the kids today are too young to remember, but back in the day if you ran a website, or a forum, chatroom, whatever, it was only a matter of time before the nazis and white supremacists showed up. They would congregate at places that had minimal moderation (this is how Club Penguin became overrun with white supremacists.) Then 4chan went with a “containment” policy, to isolate all that shit to /b/ but by 2015 it was too late. The neo-fascist movement, the Groypers, Gamergate, Incels, the Men’s rights assholes, all those people wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for 4chan. That’s where white supremacy took root online and spread like a cancer through everything else.
Well how did this happen? Because a significant number of the 22 million people who frequent 4chan every month are children. They get to say edgy stuff and act all rebellious, and it’s all fun and games, until it isn’t. Now we’re at a point where white supremacy is so common that leaked group chats for the Young Republicans read like fucking Mien Kampf. I’ve already gone on too long, but I’m pretty sure you get the point I’m making about indoctrination and desensitation.
So yes, it is very much “kids playing nazi” who are the enemy, and the assholes encouraging them to play even more so.
The ruling class WANTS the slaughter, the boom, the crunch, the conflict, and the next slaughter.
Well once you figure out how to stop war forever please let me know, I’ll be the first to listen. But it ain’t by playing nice with fascists.
- 15 days
Two truths that are not in conflict with each oner: 1) fascism is a systemic issue and as ideology will outlive any individual; 2) fascist individuals should not be tolerated
- 15 days
Yea but it’s fun though. And most of these Nazis are middle class and have most of the world handed to them.
If you can afford to dress like a Nazi you can afford to not be a fucking Nazi.
- 15 days
Hey Canadians,
You guys need to snuff this flame out now. Whether through serious jail time, or even feeding them to the bears
Don’t let the weed take root, otherwise you’ll wind up like the U.S.
- 15 days
It’s too late now, we already showed them they could march across the whole country and terrorize a city for weeks without repercussions. We need to take more action, absolutely, but I wouldn’t call this one a small or easy flame to take out anymore.
- 14 days
While I dislike what those individuals stand for, their attitude and their ignorance, I do not think violence towards them will change things for better but rather aggravate things.
One has to look at the root of the problem. Why are they angry etc.? Fact that we have vast economic disparity within our society breeds this kind of behavior. When resources are plenty and everyone gets their fair share and doesn’t need to live loan-to-loan people don’t usually care about exclusion of others (well, there are always zealots with loose screws) and those movements to not gain traction. Look at fascism in last century: it has risen on the back of economic collapse of society when it became easy to accept “you can’t eat because he took your food” kind of messaging.
Bottom line to stamp out those thugs we need to change our society drastically with a sharp turn left but we’re keep on veering to the right with each election, which will end up in violence one way or another. Someone however has to be focused on the target though: political and economic system in Canada is broken and needs to be rebuilt, until then we will be miserable and thugs will proliferate
- 16 days
Imagine refusing so hard to take responsibility for your own life that you will blame all minorities instead of looking in a fucking mirror.
- 16 days
The underground railroad needed anonymity.
I don’t agree with your argument.
- 14 days
Just about the falsest of equivalences that ever false-equivalenced. The Underground Railroad was humans trying to survive unspeakable conditions, it formed spontaneously, out of necessity. Nazism is humans trying to bring back those unspeakable conditions, it forms by choice, out of hatred and fear. The consequence of UR members losing their anonymity was torturous death for themselves and their loved ones, the consequences of these shitstains losing their anonymity is, at most, justified social ostracization. If the world knowing what you really believe means good, reasonable people think you’re a piece of shit, maybe it’s time to reflect on those beliefs, eh?
16 daysThe Underground Railroad wasn’t in the business of swaying politics
- 15 days
I don’t really care if the people that think the problem with fascist movements is anonymity don’t know what politics are.
Trafficking people was the only political tool they had to fight against oppression at the time, they weren’t able to lead to a larger change in society so they were reserved to impacting change on an individual level.
- 15 days
Trafficking people
Are you still talking about the underground railroad?
- 15 days
Given that’s what you were replying to, what else do you think I would be talking about?
the underground railroad was moving people illegally, sure the people consented but so do quite a few human trafficking victims (intially).
- 16 days
Society works because human evolution happens at the rate of learning and communicating new behaviors – exponentially faster and more effective than genetic evolution. The human genome has changed exceptionally little for hundreds of thousands of years, and so called “race” is the fantasy nonsense that its somehow possible to tell the contents of a person’s mind just by the light bouncing of their skin.
I don’t think its enough to call it stupid, we gotta start attacking the root assumptions that drive the ideology.
- 16 days
Sure, but how do you stop a moron from perpetuating their destructive stupidity?
It’s about their capacity to understand and behave reasonably. We got a long way to go.
Euro here: what is truth and reconcilliation day? (And why do these masked asshats even exist,…but I digress)
- 16 days
Just to add to Brilliants comment, these residential schools were not shut down completely, until 1996.
- 16 days
Somebody replied with what happened already, so I will add that this day (Sept 30th) is Canada acknowledging the crimes of the government and church with Truth and hopefully Reconciliation of those events with the Indigenous people…
But heres the Truth: Our government didn’t make it a federal holiday, so only some provinces treat it as a holiday where you can go and watch an indigenous celebration. When it was instituted our Premier (Trudeau) was in British Columbia on the Holiday and rather than meet with the Indigenous leaders at a celebration, he went to his island home to chill out. To me this showed exactly how much Canada cared about Reconciliation.
- 16 days
When it was instituted our Premier (Trudeau) was in British Columbia on the Holiday and rather than meet with the Indigenous leaders at a
celebrationobservation, he went to his island home to chill out. To me this showed exactly how much Canada cared about Reconciliation.It was a huge political blunder. The sort of mistake that doesn’t make sense at all until you remember that he spent the day with his wife, and got divorced not long after. He was trying to save his marriage. He shouldn’t’ve let his marriage get so precarious that he’d have to make a fuckup like that to try to save it, so I’m not excusing him, but I think it helps to understand it.
- 16 days
Is that the coverup story for the blunder? You could easily do both in the same day here.
- 16 days
I don’t know what you mean by both, it’s not a coverup story. It’s my attempt to understand how a politician so obsessed with virtue signaling could fuck it up so badly. It’s the only explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense.
Is there another explanation?
- 15 days
You could meet indigenous leaders for an hour and still go work on your relationship later. We don’t know that he was working on his marriage, other than if he offered that as an excuse later. As a leader of the country you sort of need to put the job ahead of personal plans
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish16 days
Also, the church still refuses to admit they did anything wrong, and in Ontario, half our schools are run by the same cult of pedophilic sex offenders.
I’m deeply touched to learn that not only do the Canadian people stand up against these horrible events. But they do so out of their own vollition.
I love you guys. I hope that Canada and Europe getting closer will bring that same spirit back here.
- 16 days
Well there is progress but the RCMP still treat the Indigenous like dogs in many places. Thy would drive walk drunken indigenous out of town to a snowy area to sober up and leave them there. Many froze to death.
- 15 days
Oh shit I thought that doc was an indictment not a defense.
The RCMP systematically exterminated dog teams that were used for transportation etc. very effectively destroying the ability for those communities to be self sufficient.
https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1732300419996/1732300456676
When the dogs were killed, Inuit were abruptly forced into settlements, adopting a non-Inuk way of life that severed their vital connection to the animals, land, and sea, as well as the traditions that had been passed down for as long as can be remembered.
This should be a better account of the impact of this.
- 15 days
Legalizing violence against conservative terrorists would solve this kind of bullshit instantly.
- 15 days
Tell you the uncomfortable reality, these fuck wits have to be beaten every time the step out. Anything less and they think there is some sort of acceptance of them.
Why do you think they use violence?
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish13 days
You’re expressing yourself emotionally. That’s valid. But you can’t also make a serious point at the same time. People ranting and swearing while they casually discuss taking human life on online forums are rarely serious people who have any idea what they are talking about.
- 13 days
Oh boy. You’re gonna be so surprised when being nice doesn’t get rid of the fascists.
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish6 days
Implying that you actually get rid of fascists. Pull your head out of your ass, you’re living in your own toughguy fantasy. Name even ONE SINGLE fascist you have “gotten rid of.” I’ll wait.
- Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish5 days
Sure, I’ll join you. Let’s sit here and post smug but vapid comments while we fight the culture war for the fascists’ ends instead of the class war for our ends.
Have you even HELPED “get rid of” one single identifiable fascist? Like what are you seriously suggesting I do? Who do you want me to murder? Say the fucking words, coward.
