Idiocracy, here we come.
EDIT: more info for those that disagree:
https://www.commerce.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/media/doc/Horvath_Written Testimony.pdf
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- sanzky@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
there is a big argument on this reporting to be nonesense.
But if it has any truth to it, we should see it as previous generation failing on gen z, not them being dumb.
- 13 days
Gen Z did nothing but grow up in the world made for them. Zero accountability indeed.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish12 days
As did Gen X and millennials. Yet they don’t seem to have this built-in excuse to do no wrong.
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish13 days
Most of kids get a smartphone before their teens and it’s not like they bought it for themselves… How can you hold a 12 years old accountable?
GenZ is like a giant, unaware focus group for a product (the smartphone/social media environment) that has been beta-tested after release. Only very recently, as a society, we’ve started to adjust to it
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
What’s funny is, Gen X, and millennials seems to have no excuses for the mistakes they made.
Imagine that.
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
- That’s the same for every generation, isn’t it? Have you ever heard a boomer recognize a mistake? And I’m not even going to mention GenX as they’re the least relevant generation of all time.
- You’re using the Donald Trump’s “strategy of avoiding my question with disdain for the opposite”: do you seriously think a 12 years old (or younger) can be held accountable if you give them a highly addictive, brain-rotting, paranoia machine?
- Jiggs@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish13 days
Accountability where it belongs. You dont blame someone for not walking after shooting them in a leg, unless you would be disingenous asshole.
13 daysMillennial here. The only thing surprising about a downward trend is that it didn’t start with Gen X and get progressively worse, to include us, with each generation.
As time goes, our planet gets closer to cooking us alive, Nazis are fucking surging in popularity, and the economy spirals further out of control… Yeah, that’s gonna have a not-so-great impact on our brain.
Looking at gen Z specifically, between COVID and AI slop, we kinda just destroyed like half of their education, so if they’re performing poorly on some academic metric: YEAH NO SHIT.
Alpha is even more fucked… But not as fucked as then gen after them!
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Covid was forced on them. AI slop wasn’t. Each generation has its share of shit they were handed, and shut they could have easily avoided.
AI slop was absolutely forced on them. Even if they’re not personally balls-deep into ChatGPT or some shit, they’re still stuck navigating an enshittified internet that’s gone from bad to shitstorm in just a few years almost entirely due to AI.
It’d be frustrating as all hell to try to write a research paper or piece together a presentation using today’s internet.
…um… would you mind pointing me to the other internet that wasn’t soiled by AI that genZ is using to dodge all the AI slop that would otherwise be forced on them? I’d very much like to use it.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
No one forced Gen Z to use the trash to validate themselves with it. No one forced them to use it to do their thinking for them. We all use the same internet. Yet it seems only Z got dumber from it.
Imagine that.
- pupperdreams@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
I’m not really sure what your point is. Did they all use the internet wrong and become dumber due to some sort of inherent moral failing predestined for humans born after the late 90s? Does being gen z on its own make someone somehow worse than everyone else? If the same people who now are gen z were somehow born instead in the 80s or 60s would they somehow improve or be the same people we see today? Are you suggesting it is their genetics from some generational decline? Or is there a supreme being who decided people born in that time frame wouldhave souls more inclined to make worse decisions for their intellectual development?
I can understand that you feel attacked and therefore defensive, but understand that saying a generation is bad because some studies prove it is not useful. We can say that overuse of LLMs or social media or digital classrooms has hindered their development. Blaming them for the fact that the people that raised them provided a provably poor developmental environment seems to be ducking the very accountability you claim to be striving for.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish12 days
I never said a generation is bad. Just that it’s obnoxious that they consider themselves blameless and seemingly perfect in every way with next to no accountability for anything. I don’t hate them, I just have zero respect for anyone that doesn’t take respond for themselves.
- 13 days
This comes off as you disliking an entire generation more than anything else, not gunna lie.
underfunded education, extremely bleak prospects for the future that lead to mass anxiety and depression (which is bad for your brain, shockingly), and having your formative years during a pandemic whose long-term effects include cognitive impairment will do that to you, yea
it’s not excuses, just (informed) theories about material conditions that could lead to this
what’s your explanation for this? genuinely curious
i’m kinda doubtful that the blanket “technology = bad” thesis in the article is true, honestly. i’m obviously not a neuroscientist but it seems super reductive and simplistic to me, and altho i believe that yes reliance on short-form content and ai summaries isn’t good for your attention span, that’s 1. not the same thing as intelligence and 2. faaaaar from being exclusive to gen z (or gen alpha for that matter). look at any older person with a phone and you’ll see it. my parents waste a ton of time on the glowing rectangle too and they treat the google summary like the gospel
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Check the other comments. Someone posted links from better sources that cite the actual studies. You may not like the results, but that doesn’t make them less true.
The idea that there’s no reason, and they’re less intelligent inherently with no causes is an entirely new kind of magical thinking.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Yeah. Go ahead and disregard proof. And in doing so, you’re just proving them right.
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish13 days
“Author” is a Senior News Editor
Doesn’t mention their sources or anything related to the study per se, just a bunch of “this guy said…”
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish13 days
I’ve seen you edited the post for the sources, good job.
I just wanted to point out that I don’t disagree with the article, I think it’s just poorly written: if you talk about “intelligence” you have to write “intelligently” otherwise it’s just old man yelling at cloud type of content.
- 13 days
I thought we left the fearmongering and snide articles about the younger generation on reddit
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
No, you’re not. You’re giving quippy little one sentence replies and accusing anyone that disagrees with you of not reading the article.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish12 days
Why bother going deeper when all I’m met with is bullshit excuses and hand-waving the accountability of an entire generation.
It’s all someone else’s fault. It always is. Therefore it’s pointless to bother with anything more.
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
This really starts to sound like “Mommy didn’t show me any love if I got a B+” kind of behaviour…
- pH3ra@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
Always deflect, never correct. Definetly at least one abusive parent. What they did to you wasn’t right OK? Young people have no responsibility, stop blaming yourself for what happened. Start loving your inner child so you can love others as well, peace
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish12 days
I don’t think you’re qualified to make such an assessment, kiddo- you need to finish high school before it can get a therapy degree.
But best of luck to ya. Take responsibility for your shit some day. It’s cathartic.
Oh. And you’re blocked. So don’t waste your time responding.
- Mercer@lemmy.zipEnglish13 days
If you use IQ as a valid measure of intelligence which there is copious amounts of data to suggest it is not beyond high school grades.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Did you read the article, or just commenting on the headline like everyone does nowadays? Be honest.
Don’t they say this same shit about every generation?
And there’s always some “study” proving it. Proving that the last great, smart, cool, respectful generation was whichever one the author was from…
But they did?
Growing up all I heard was “wahh millenials, theyre so dumb because computer and calculators. Millennials aren’t as skilled as parents because soft and indoor office jobs. Millennials can’t fix/handyman things cuz lazy/consumerism”
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Right. You heard people whining about dumb shit. This isn’t the same. This is a study done with factual results.
Yea, that’s what they said about their takes too…
W/e man, take the bait. Do the artificial generational division bs. Around and around we go. Its totally different this time… totally
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
For almost a century, the Flynn Effect was the standard. Yet, suddenly, it ended with Gen Z. This isn’t opinions bud. It’s science.
You just don’t like the outcome.
- the_riviera_kid@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
How about instead of shitting on the generations that follow, you help them out instead?
This is a bunch of “old man yells at cloud” horse shit.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish12 days
Right. No. Sorry. I’ve been called “boomer” one too many times for simply politely disagreeing with them. I’m done being nice.
- ChicoSuave@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
This is some intergenerational rage bait. Gen Z is just as smart and capable as any other generation. Human generations aren’t a hierarchy of ability and anyone who thinks they are better than a broad category of people is part of the problem. Racism and bigotry both stem from the same idea: some people are better than others and those people need to be discarded from society.
This article is pointless speculation by someone stirring up unwarranted sentiment.
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Gen Z is just as smart and capable as any other generation
But they’re not. And there’s evidence to back it up.
They have the exact same potential as the generations around them - they didn’t get blasted with mutagen. The environment that contributed to allowing people to maximize their potential has been scuppered, tainted, and monetized, and particularly for the young, their own mental proclivities, which by the way, they have no ability to understand or override on their recognizance at early ages, are being weaponized against them by an army cognitive behaviorists and a mountain of psychological research.
- 13 days
Do you think they aren’t human beings just like yourself?
- Voixe2@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish13 days
Generational divides are a bullshit myth made to distract from the class divide
- Pratai@piefed.caEnglish13 days
Yeah… only there’s evidence that suppers the claim. Man. Science is such a fucking burden. Isn’t it?
- redwattlebird@thelemmy.clubEnglish13 days
I’ll be interested to see if the trend continues with alpha.
