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- 2 days
“greed of gold”? What a weird way to phrase it.
This isn’t really a shitpost, it could be funnier
True. I couldn’t think of a better term for it. What I was getting at was absolutions. Which was the medieval payment of money to allegedly pay their way out of sin, which led to Martin Luther’s discovery of Sola Fide. It’s a fascinating piece of church history.
Totally is, but I think if you deep fried this and added some dumb clip art this would be a shitpost instead of just an anti Catholic post.
1 dayIndulgences freed you from the temporal results of sin, and donating to the Church was charity
Not. This. One. Man… he even try fixing some of that bullshit.
Pope Francis compares child sex abuse to human sacrifice
I’m not even
ChristianCatholic, but seriously. Fuck this meme.- 2 days
If we don’t look at all the terrible things done in history, we’ll never figure out how to not repeat them.
Looking at the history honestly would mean using a picture of a more appropriate Pope.
- 2 days
I agree, Francis was less terrible than most, including his immediate predecessor. But I watched as the CDF still suppressed the LCWR and he didn’t do a goddamn thing. He was as complicit as the US Congress is with Trump.
The pope said child sex abuse was bad? What a brave and controversial stance.
Francis beatified at least 2 different people/groups of people that put native American Indians in work camps (Georgia Martyrs and Juniperro Serra)
I’m not even Christian
Neither are these men’s followers. Catholic ≠ Christian
- 3 days
I think its the other way around. All catholics are chrisitians. Not all christians are catholic.
Catholics do too much unbiblical for me to accept that they’re Christian
Matthew 16:18 And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
Oh yes, yes. It’s your specific interpretation of the highly mistranslated book that is the deciding factor.
Shit, I rolled my eyes too hard and I think I hurt something. I’m sending you the doctor bill.
Well I’m not saying a rosary for you (where tf is the rosary in the Bible???) also, it’s not purely my ‘interpretation’ (how do you interpret something that isn’t even in the bible?) many others have said so too, see this: https://sites.google.com/view/officialstreetpreachers/edification/catholics
- 1 day
Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee
Luke 1:28
Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb
Luke 1:42
See, I think they’re more Christian than you. The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion. Something you seem to have missed. And what about not judging?
It’s all moot. Y’all are arguing over different flavors of a fanfic. Real Jesus was nothing like the book.
The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion
Nope, the Bible doesn’t say anything about beads. Prayer is meant to be simple. The rosary is adding to God’s word.
Revalation 22:18 “ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”
I’ll ask you again: yes or no, do you believe a church (the Catholic Church) which allows and enables its preachers all throughout its history to molest children is a church of Christ?
- 2 days
The guy you linked seems insane to me, no offense.
Also wafer not being the body of Christ? Isn’t that during the Last Supper that Jesus says that this is my body? The wafers are just an analogue to that.
Why is he worrying so much about honorifics like “Father” as well? This is just a bizarre wall of text.
Ruben Israel was insane (he was an Arminian). But I at least agree with him on his list of Catholic errors
Matthew 23:9 says: “ And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Basically, it is directly against the word of God to call a priest that word.
But yeah, I agree with him on that list, not on his other Arminian ways. A comedian made a rather funny documentary on him it’s worth a watch if only for shits and giggles
- 2 days
Found the American Protestant.
Nobody outside of the United States believes Catholics aren’t Christian.
Incorrect.
I’m from England, land of the Puritans (im not saying I am a puritan, but I’ve certainly inherited their anti-Catholic stance.)
- 2 days
Ok, then you are a minority even among Protestants.
I’d love to see you explain to Catholics and Orthodox Christians how they’re not Christians and Christianity was somehow founded in 1517, 1484 years after Christ was crucified.
First of all, I’m not saying that: true Christianity existed before the Catholic Church, there were others who taught more accurate doctrines like the precursors to the primitive baptists, Gottschalk of Orbais, Jan Hus, etc. alongside the Catholic Church: 1517 was simply a revival of these earlier ideas (obviously that’s way oversimplified, if I was to do so tell catholics, I’d explain it in a lot more detail, do my homework etc.)
What’s up with people saying Cathlics aren’t Christians? I’m an atheist, and I’ve heard this a few times and is utterly baffling.
They literally believe Jesus Christ is their savior, ya know, the defining feature of being a Christian, like every other flavor of Christianity.
- 1 day
Honestly, most of it stems from the anti-Italian and anti-Irish sentiments of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Also, if you’re interested, look into the history of Martin Luther, the 95 theses, and sola fide. Also learn about the doctrine of predestination
Nope, not like (every) other flavour (well, maybe some) this list of unbiblical things catholics do is good
- forkDestroyer@infosec.pubEnglish2 days
Catholics do too much unbiblical for me
So they’re just like the Christians?
- 3 days
Tell this to hardcore catholics on the countryside and they will bring back human sacrifice only for you
- 2 days
Catholics are Christian, at least according to those of us who are not Christian.
It’s like the LGBT+ community: someone is how they personally identify. Even if their behavior doesn’t meet expectations. (Russell T. Davies did a series about this phenomenon, Bob & Rose) If a man claims to be lesbian, than he is. And yes, this pisses off the gold-star lesbians.
Anyone who identifies as Christian, is Christian. Full stop.
They might not be very good at it.
They might disagree with what qualities a Christian should have.
They might, themselves, decide you’re not a Christian either.
If they belong to a mainline or fundamentalist ministry, they probably think your faith is a deception by the devil, and only by joining their church will you receive salvation. That is more common ministerial position than not.
If they’re Universalist, then they don’t care if you’re Christian, you get salvation anyway.
I do understand your point, I just don’t agree.
Let me ask you one simple question: do you believe that a church which throughout its history has enabled its preachers to molest children, can truly be called Christian?
The Bible says that true Christian’s are followers of Christ, not just those who claim to be, then do the opposite behind closed doors. Catholics are Christian in name only.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven.”
- 2 days
Without question. Corruption and abuse within institutions is epidemic throughout human history. Child sexual abuse runs lousy in religious institutions. The youth-pastor problem is pervasive.
If you want to create a church, and figure out how to keep its elders free of vice and corruption, I applaud you. But I don’t think you’re going to succeed, if ever your ministry gains any significant following.
A more realistic ambition (if your congregation is more than a dozen folk) is for absolute transparency. A bigger problem in the religious sector is the incentive by ministries to cover up scandals, and silence victims in order to preserve the reputation of the institution. (And predators looking for a hunting ground often seek positions of authority in religious institutions because of this trait.) If your church had the policy of reporting wrongdoing to the authorities and to the press, quickly and openly, then, yes, your ministry will have a lower rate of misconduct, but it will appear to be more corrupt, because of your sunshine rules. Kinda like Florida.
The primary reason the Catholic church is so ridden with corruption and scandal is because it’s big and it’s old. It’s the largest Christian denomination, and it’s been around the longest.
Don’t think this doesn’t happen to non-Christian religious institutions as well. Unchecked power breeds abuse of it, and scandals run thick in temples, in mosques, in secular community centers. The larger the institution the worse the entrenchment.
Don’t think this doesn’t happen to non-Christian religious institutions as well
Absolutely, and that’s all evidence that the church of Christ is not with them people either. You must understand: the true church of Jesus Christ does not have molesting preachers. Try as you may, you simply won’t get that conduct wrapped up in anything even remotely Christ-like.
The primary reason the Catholic church is so ridden with corruption and scandal is because it’s big and it’s old. It’s the largest Christian denomination, and it’s been around the longest
It’s not quite the oldest, but it is old I agree. But the bigger point about your statement there is, they are big — they have over a billion members. What did Christ say about the number of people who would be saved?
Luke 11:
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Also Romans 9:27: “ 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved”
The Bible explicitly says a tiny number of people shall be saved, yet the Catholic Church has over a billion. That is not consistent with what the scripture says (and don’t forget: 8 people survived Noah’s Ark, out of millions or possibly billions) that’s all the more evidence that the Catholic Church is not the church of Christ (combined with their history of murder, rape, corruption, greed, lies and other sins). And if they’re not of Christ, they are not true Christians (christian in name only). I’m not having a go at what you posted, I’m just elaborating that that’s just my view.
If you want to create a church, and figure out how to keep its elders free of vice and corruption, I applaud you. But I don’t think you’re going to succeed, if ever your ministry gains any significant following.
Only God creates his church really. Plus, it wouldn’t matter: both Luther and Erasmus agreed that the Catholic Church was corrupt, but they couldn’t agree on how to fix the issue (they couldn’t agree with certain aspects of theology either, but that’s a whole other debate).
On a side note, I forgot to ask: you said you’re not Christian, may I ask are you atheist or do you just follow another religion? (E.g. Judaism, Hinduism, etc.)?
Saying that the Catholic Church fell into grave error suddenly is saying that Christ failed to protect his Church, which is saying that Christ failed, which is impossible
Matthew 16:18 And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
- 2 days
The true church of Jesus Christ does not have molesting preachers.
If that were the case then there is no true Church of Jesus Christ. Full Stop. Your definition excludes allowance for human nature, and the corrupting influence of authority.
Anyway, all your bible passages are meaningless. The white Christian nationalist movement serves as an example of what Dan McClellan observes, that the bible is only used for the prooftext to uphold social hierarchy. The amount of care we see for the sick, support for the impoverished, and regard for the stranger in modern ministries is nauseatingly slight, even though they’re central themes in the bible.
It not only highlights that the texts are a historical work, not inerrant, not univocal, and not divinely inspired. But that they can be reinterpreted to say anything to any purpose. And they are.
And if we presume the omniscience of God, then They knew in advance the scripture-church model of messaging would fail, and would choose something different that worked.
They’re only ‘meaningless’ to you personally because you’re clearly an atheist. I’m not wasting my time with atheists, they’re sadly more often than not a lost cause, and certainly put no value in scripture
- dehyzer@piefed.socialEnglish2 days
The Bible explicitly says a tiny number of people shall be saved, yet the Catholic Church has over a billion. That is not consistent with what the scripture says (and don’t forget: 8 people survived Noah’s Ark, out of millions or possibly billions) that’s all the more evidence that the Catholic Church is not the church of Christ
Which denomination is the correct size to be the real Church of Christ? I’m assuming it’s the one you follow?
Haven’t you read above that I’m not a member of a church??? I already said that
Edit: I realise that might’ve been in a separate thread I said that. In any case, I repeat it here.
shrug
Catholics profess the Nicene Creed, which is enough for many Western ecumenical counsels to recognize the faith as part of the larger family of Christianity. I could understand not wanting to be seen as keeping company with them, but explaining that to people is going to be an uphill battle unless you’re talking to some really fundamentalist folks. Otherwise, you get hit with the same broad brush everyone else gets.
which is enough for many Western ecumenical counsels to recognize the faith as part of the larger family of Christianity
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t understand why that is (other than that these other ‘churches’ might not be true Christian’s either, since reciting that chant isn’t technically biblical (no biblical figure stated that that was necessary, look into sola scriptura)
- 2 days
The term nepotism comes from the root nepot meaning nephew.
Nepotism comes from the practice of high-ranking clergy siring children, and then wanting to promote their bastards into choice positions. They couldn’t claim to be the lad’s father, so they’d instead claim to be his uncle. Thus the kid was his nephew.
Okay but the corpse thing was actually hardcorr and we should still do that.
Imagine it, our narcissistic leaders would hate it. Not even death is an escape from the arm of the people.
lol. You can imagine Trump putting Biden’s (soon to be) corpse on trial.
Yeah but we also get to do it to Trump and then maybe we can eventually get some sort of hellish court thats so backed up everyone on trial is a corpse. Imagine it. We’re already in dystopia anyway.
We should start with the living who deserve to be on trial before moving on to corpses.
planning to ressurect the corpse like a necromancer, Mitch mustve been giving them ideas.
My favourite thing from the first link above is that this dude is no older than 27 in this drawing.
- Carmakazi@piefed.socialEnglish3 days
IIRC there was one who held regular orgies at the Vatican, but I guess that can just fall under “adultery.”
Oh that list isn’t the entire list of their collective crimes, that’s just a handful.
Orgies, you say? May I ask which pope it was?
- okwhateverdude@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banquet_of_Chestnuts
Probably referring to this uncorroborated account from a memoir. Found this after a quick search for “pope hosted orgy”
Wether it’s bad or not, it’s fucking weird. Nobody’s clambering after putting Stalin’s body on trial for atrocities.
- 2 days
Because it was a sham trial mainly because the guy fid not like the previous pope and made some bullshit charges
- ZC3rr0r@piefed.caEnglish3 days
That turned out to be a rumour. There’s no proof Pope Joan ever actually existed.
Heaven forfend that the head of a (micro)state be guilty of power moves.
- forkDestroyer@infosec.pubEnglish2 days
Digging up your predecessor’s body to put it on trial is pretty metal. Death metal, specifically.
- EndOfLine@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Pope Benedict IX is worth looking into for those wanting to learn more about historic papal corruption.
